Niko

indeed - after rereading i'd say there's not sooo much evidence for iron city being the verve session... looks like it wasn't the case rather; bill heid said iron city was recorded in pittburgh which would exclude verve, but then heid also said it was patton on organ which is apparently wrong... chuck said verve would have recorded at rvg and there seems to be a consensus that this is not true for iron city... indeed two of the tunes coincide between the two sessions but then there are other tunes as well, which green recorded on several occasions, fat judy, go down moses... the presence of fat judy suggests patton but then it seems that green had similar tunes with patton dixon and with young jones (only example that comes to mind is i want to hold your hand which was only recorded by the second group... pretty sure there are more examples...) one more thing: that they take photos before the sessions, of course. but does it make sense that they actually had the list of tunes together for the session before recording it? was production back then like that?

wasn't there another thread (and a hypothesis, that at least the first session was iron city in disguise (two titles duplication as far as i can see)

just read a job application from someone who bragged he had taken a course in "business english and accademic preperetion" (in defense of the public school system it should be said though that his grades in english were always between C- and D )

seconded? looking at the albums he produced it's hard to imagine he was only after the big buck or that he made it by producing the albums he did... notably baker didn't reach the level of the seven carpenter albums in years to come and his next albums after carpenter were much more commercial (if i get this right, the baker album on the link jim posted is not a carpenter production...)... after all, the carpenter albums i am aware of, at least before the late sixties, are pure jazz - not the easiest music to make money with, and strung out musicians can also be found in other genres...

thanks!

there's this court case surrounding evil ways, sonny henry and richcar but i just find the solution, not the problem... http://ny.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocVi...41022.NY.htm/qx i also found henry's and carpenter's names on two stanley turrentine albums, seems henry was carpenter's latter day jimmy mundy... STANLEY TURRENTINE: WEST SIDE HIGHWAY 1978 FANTASY RECORDS STANLEY TURRENTINE: BETCHA 1979 ELEKTRA RECORDS

heard an elderly gypsy in a call-in radio show a few weeks ago, his problem was that he had shot his wife sometime in the late seventies because she had cheated him and missed her badly he had just wanted to shoot the other man... the moderator asked "so, how come you had a weapon in your appartment", guy didn't understand it, so the question went back and forth a few times, then the man started to say "i'm a gypsy" but the moderator kept asking until after five or six exchanges the guy made it clear that by "i'm a gypsy" he meant "i'm a gypsy and all gypsies have weapons so i have a weapon, still have one at hand..." ... conversation didn't really lead anywhere - wants to say: they're fierce people...

next time... what was richcar vs towns (anybody have access to a database with court cases?) and who was sonny henry ... http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon...HC=22&SID=3

also this http://www.sec.gov/news/digest/1962/dig073162.pdf (first entry on page 4)

and then i found this ?! http://richcarmusic.net/

back to work now, here's what carpenter has at the loc, in those entries where it says "by gene ammons" it says "Title: Fuzzy. By Gene Ammons. Copyright Claimant: Herman Lubinsky Authorship on Application: Richard Carpenter (on original appl.: Gene Ammons) " the hal galper tune is from that non-prestige album carpenter produced with chet baker i guess... Carpenter, Richard Walkin'. By Richard Carpenter. 1955 Carpenter, Richard Big slam, part 1 & part 2. By Gene Ammons. 1960 Carpenter, Richard Beaver Falls. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Big slam. By Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Boss happenings. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Egghead. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Fuzzy. By Gene Ammons. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Hittin' the jug. By Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Hittin' the jug. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Kicks. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Little Rock. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Now you're gone. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Prez. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Seven eleven. By Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Seven eleven. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Smooth breeze. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Topsy. m Richard Carpenter. 1961 Carpenter, Richard Soul's valley. m Richard Carpenter. 1962 Carpenter, Richard Walkin'. m Richard Carpenter, w Judy Spencer. 1963 Carpenter, Richard Retsim B. m Hal Galper (Harold Galper, Richard Carpenter. 1964

funnily, in mundy's nyt obit it says he leaves a wife "brucie"... http://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/26/obituari...?sec=&spon= gladys bruce and mundy were definitely still married in the sixties, and in the 13 August 1953 edition of Jet there's this short bit of news: "Singer Gladys Bruce, wife of arranger Jimmy Mundy, is starting a new style fad. She wears odd shoes and gloves." ( http://books.google.com/books?id=nEIDAAAAM...p;lr=&hl=de )

yeah, but why was Gladys Bruce also known as James R. Mundy & Illinois Jacquet.... nothing much to be found about carpenter except that like so many his career started with dizzy gillespie's late forties big band... http://books.google.com/books?id=HR4EAAAAM...p;lr=&hl=de http://books.google.com/books?id=iUEDAAAAM...p;lr=&hl=de http://books.google.com/books?id=p7EDAAAAM...p;lr=&hl=de http://books.google.com/books?id=TrsDAAAAM...p;lr=&hl=de

found this here in the library of congress copyright database... "gladys mundy" says something... what the aka means etc i don't quite get... (W) means words i guess... new theory, carpenter talked mundy out of his contribution to the compositions but couldn't get the part of mundy's wife (who btw under her two names has rather many compositions in the database)

Is the inference here that, at some point in his life, Jimmy Mundy fell victim to narcotics addiction? Because I just came across a truly dreadful Sonny Stitt album produced by Carpenter, with three of "his" originals, and the whole thing was arranged by Jimmy Mundy. Just wondering... don't know which book that was (maybe also gavin's) but somewhere it said that during the chet baker/george coleman sessions jimmy mundy was sitting in some booth handling the compositions/arrangements (there are 16 carpenter compositions in the set, some of which cowritten with "bruce" which arguably is singer gladys bruce who had recorded with mundy in 1951 http://www.jazzdiscography.com/Leaders/BruceGladys-ldr.php some cowritten with stitt... no idea which role who played in all that mess and how much mundy contributed... or why tadd dameron apparently managed to remain the composer of his tunes... here's another album with mundy arrangements and bruce compositions... but no obvious traces of carpenter http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&a...10:hxfuxqlgldke ) i like that stitt and the top brass album... the organ wasn't a good idea though in this case... and it's one of tadd dameron's last works...

There's a slew of, for instance, Coleman Hawkins records of which this could also be said. Still, there's a story being told, or more accurately, finished, and I'd not be without them. I guess. Which Bean records, anyway? Torwards the end no doubt. Why do some greats burn out and others last to advanced age? They´re all just as talented and thereby high-strung so the ´intense genius burnout´ thing won´t wash by me. Any theories? (Ha, I guess I should ask how often bears shit in the woods....) not an entire theory... but i'd throw in the claim that guys like sonny stitt and art pepper who were to a (maybe overly large) extent driven by competing with other saxophone players, "sportive guys", had a longer peak than many others who were maybe driven more strongly by trying to, say, express themselves, settle something with themselves... )

happy birthday

thanks! if he was called sonny salad already at 11 that makes it unlikely he was the same as sonny saldana but who knows... another mention of him with sinatra in the second article i linked to... born in 1926, just like john coltrane...

Managed to play the Earl Anderza, but not the Little/Ervin. Any suggestions for a snappier album title based on their shared first name? hmmm, i have the vague feeling that at present in the test version at www-v3.deezer.com they don't do country restricitions yet (more accurately, everyone has the french settings which means emi, most of universal, sony and warner plus small stuff like nato for instance...)... funny you couldn't play the ervin/little... maybe it was a bug they still got to fix...

trying to understand the new deezer version... can anyone in the US or in the UK play this http://www-v3.deezer.com/de/#music/result/all/earl%20anderza and/or this (track one seems to be broken, so track 2, 3,...) http://www-v3.deezer.com/de/#music/booker-...ner-city-205116 if you feel like trying out, thanks (two great albums of course)

vaguely related to on the road plus i'm just reading it though it's not a book... look at this July 1965 village voice and say once more that jazz is still as alive as it was then... http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=i2wQA...azz+ray+bremser Half Note: Zoot Sims and Al Cohen with extra added attraction jimmy rushing Village Gate: Thelonious Monk and John Colrane (not together, i guess?) Slugs: Hank Mobley, then Pepper Adams/Thad Jones Harout's Restaurant: Jackie McLean All Star Quintet Village Vanguard: Mose Allison and Sheila Jordan, and on tuesday Sonny Rollins two pages later in the classifieds there is steve kuhn offering ear training...

damn, iiirc (might be wrong) two hours ago she was on 32... now it's 36... we shouldn't take this lightly (how long is it running?) edit to add: running for 42 more days, at present she's 1000 votes behind...

just wanted to post that; sometimes it's so easy to do something worthwile...

i used to play in an orchestra that was somewhat specialized on this type of music, two pieces i remember were organ concerts by alexandre guilmant and joseph callaerts (doubt the latter one is on cd, think we were the first ones to play it in almost 100 years)... wasn't ready for them at the time (we even travelled to belgium to peform them at the original place - wasn't ready for belgium either) pretty sure i would love them now....