Guy Berger

The 3 Black Saint albums with Cyrille I like a lot; am less crazy about the two Black Saints w/Borca I should check out the Hat!

Isis is great, I’d be fine with never hearing the rest again. Joey is one of the most annoying Dylan songs I have ever heard

It’s a nice one. If we’re gonna trash a Dylan album, how about Desire?

Disagree. The band sounded better with Coles, especially on ensembles.

Campy crypto-Nazi musicians are oh-so-funny

Exactly. Very strong parallels

No real twist here - it’s a thread about the history of Nazi-friendly perspectives in Germany after WW2

Yup. But to paraphrase, this thread needs the reminder now more than ever.

Interesting article: Myth of the clean Wehrmacht

the first post in this thread should probably have been “German pop singer thinks Nazis are not so bad”

Wait - what?

Finally listened to the 1965 band. I may change my mind over time but I’d put this firmly into the 2nd or 3rd tier Mingus - music that I enjoy but not something I expect to return to a lot. I recall reading at least one set of liner notes (Mingus Dynasty?) in which Mingus also expresses this ambivalence. He also criticizes Charlie Parker’s imitators in the same liner notes. I suspect Mingus had a lot of mixed feelings about Ornette. Mingus had been playing proto free jazz in the mid 1950s before Ornette came on the scene. Ornette was also a big influence on Mingus’s post-1960 music. Some of his comments might have been sincere, some were probably just competitive jealousy. (Also interesting to compare Mingus’s reaction to Miles Davis’s.)

Coleman lost his lawsuit: Link

This sucks.

What happened is the range of musical possibilities opened up, and Konitz took wonderful advantage of them!

I picked up the Covina disc via band camp & mail order. Looking forward to hearing it. Not gonna get vinyl

I must be in the minority - not crazy about this one relative to either the 1964 Dolphy recordings or the 1964 Monterey performance. Handy’s playing is my favorite part.

Konitz is one of those pre-NewThing musicians who really benefited from the new musical horizons that opened up in the 1960s.

What do folks think of the ECM Birdland album with Mehldau, Haden, and Motian? I enjoy that one quite a bit, especially the “Oleo” that closes the album,

Still enjoying this album more than a decade later. My opinion was very positive back then, and it holds up well IMHO, especially the majestic version of “Soul Eyes”.

Pim, I really love this body of work. You got me interested in a bunch of Waldron I’d never heard of 👏👏👏

I agree, the existence of this commercial niche IS interesting. I guess Pharoah Sanders, Alice Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Elvin Jones, and the Mwandishi musicians undersupplied the market! I’ve also listened to some of the more recent recordings in this vein. They’re fun but also mostly empty calories. What about Ray Charles, Horace Silver, Jimmy Smith, Cannonball Adderley, Bobby Timmons? I think it’s interesting and a little odd that many discussions of spiritual jazz almost entirely discount music that was heavily influenced by the Black American church.

Evan Parker, absolutely

Yeah. Ware’s sound comes more out of Ayler and Rollins but the scientific/mathematical/architectural approach is Coltraneish

Interesting to read this thread. Red was a unique stylist who brought a great flavor to the Miles Davis quintet and made some nice albums with John Coltrane and Coleman Hawkins, but I don’t have much of an appetite for his trio work.