Guy Berger

First OFFICIAL recordings, right? Because the Anthology set includes stuff that predates this.

Beethoven, String Quartet Op. 127

There are so many good concerts from that tour... I realize that it was probably not commercially feasible to include more of them, but nobody who likes this music should go without hearing Rome (10/27), Paris (11/03 - amazing "Masqualero"), Copenhagen (11/04) and especially Rotterdam (11/09). Some of these are, in my opinion, better than what's included on this box set.

Beethoven, piano sonata 31/3 (second movement + third movement)

Yes! Without getting into the "is this jazz" debate, I'll just say that if this album is excluded, so is a lot of other stuff that most people put under that label. Bev spurred my mind to mention a few others: "Desireless" on Jan Garbarek's Witchi Tai To "Sangria for Three" on Tony Williams's Emergency "Night Poem", Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath and already mentioned, but why not another time: Grant Green's "Idle Moments"

I could maybe, on any given day, hear either Lew Tabackin or Bennie Wallace for one cut and think that they were each other. But how James Moody gets into that equation...I'm not sure. Then again, players sounds are their voices. Hearing them on a record is like getting a phone call from them. You pick up the phone, they say hey, and you recognize their voice if you've got it etched in your mind for whatever reason, be it ongoing repetition or be it a lot of recent dialouge or be it a notable distinctiveness. If you've not heard the voice in a long time, it might not click right away. But you don't pick up your phone, hear your uncle who you've not heard in five years say heywazzup and think that it's your wife calling from the office, ya' know? LOL! Major Branford fail here, no doubt about it.

Yes, that is an amazing track. Swings so hard! I also really like "Lady Be Good" from the 2nd Granz studio jam session. What a wonderful box. Leaving out multi-movement compositions/performances (whether A Love Supreme or the live Miles concerts from 1967 through 1975)... Some stuff that hasn't been mentioned, that I love: Miles Davis, "Mademoiselle Mabry" Miles Davis, "Pharaoh's Dance" Charles Lloyd, "Tales of Rumi" Duke Ellington, "A Tone Parallel to Harlem" (just short of 15 min) Eberhard Weber, "Seriously Deep" Jackie McLean, "Melody for Melonae (again, a little short) Weather Report, "The Boogie Woogie Waltz" (studio version) Pharoah Sanders, "Let Us Now Go into the House of the Lord" Sun Ra, "The Magic City"

Well said. "We always solo, we never solo."

NONSENSE

I like his post-1963 playing than his pre-1963 playing. But honestly, I am mostly interested in his albums for the compositions + saxophonists. Some wonderful Wayne Shorter on those!

Do In'n'Out or Five Guys count?

I picked up this box for the three albums I didn't own (Home, Fast Life, Hope Scope), and recently listened to Home for the first time. A really great record - I'd put it above Ming and Murray's Steps, I think.

My ranking of these albums in descending order: #1, #3, #2.

I recently picked up Distant Hills and Winter Light, and am glad I did, these are wonderful albums. Highly recommended.

:tup He makes Sanders look like a schoolboy in short trousers, he's so much better, truly worlds apart! VV Again is one of those Trane albums I took a longtime first to buy (I've had the LP borrowed from a highschool teacher once and gave it some spins, made me a K7 copy of it, but didn't return to it often) and then took a while to appreciate. I enjoy Garrison in general, less so Sanders, but the whole album is still very, very good in my book - and Trane is great on it! I think I have a more positive opinion of Sanders's solo on "Naima" than either of you, but no disagreement, and frankly, I wish that on most of the 1966-67 recordings Coltrane had been more "selfish" with solo space with regards to Pharoah.

I love this album, and have heard this extra music on some discs that were circulating (along with various leftovers from the Ballads and Coltrane sessions). Some of it is worth hearing, but the large number of breakdowns is not. I'll probably pass on this, too much other music I haven't heard it.

Compared to all the other stuff that I imagine is going into those burgers, we should be relieved that at least some of it is meat of a determinate source.

I love his playing, and I'd say his biggest strength as a drummer is his versatility. On the Miles stuff alone, he could do straight ahead swing, free playing, and hard-hitting funky grooves. (I don't think you get a full appreciation of his work with Miles unless you hear a variety of live stuff from 1969-1970 - "What I Say" !!!!) His appearance on an album will, on the margin, make me more interested in hearing it. I also like his compositions (I've heard 3 of the ECM Special Edition albums), and he obviously has good taste in selecting front-line partners.

Unsolicited, my ratings of the Lloyd albums I've heard: Discovery (A) Of Course, Of Course (A) Nirvana ( C ) Dream Weaver (A) Forest Flower (B) The Flowering (A) In Europe (B) Love In (B) Journey Within ( C - I know I said good stuff about this in the past, since re-evaluated downward) In the Soviet Union ( C ) Soundtrack ( C ) Fish Out of Water (B) Notes from Big Sur (A) Acoustic Masters I (A) The Call (B, maybe C) All My Relations (B, maybe A) Canto (A) Voice in the Night (A) The Water Is Wide (A) Hyperion with Higgins (B) Lift Every Voice (B, maybe A) Jumping the Creek (B) Sangam (B, maybe A) Rabo de Nube (A)

Assuming "meditative" is the #1 goal, Fish Out of Water, Notes from Big Sur, The Call, Canto and The Water Is Wide all fit the bill. Maybe Sangam too.

Well, I think that having a patchwork of performances from different concerts (rather than complete concerts) gives an inferior sense of what WR was like as a band. I also think that they weren't nearly as good live after 1977 so the set would have been better with less of the later material. Live in Tokyo is the best official live released by the band and there are dozens of amazing unofficial live recordings I would rank above Live and Unreleased.

I don't think you can entirely discount skills gaps as driving SOME unemployment at any given point in time, but it is probably playing only a small role in today's elevated unemployment rate. (In the medium run it would certainly play a big role in pay/compensation, but not the level of employment.) I think these kinds of explanations ("people are unemployed because they lack skills") are popular because they have bipartisan appeal and buy room for some limited government intervention (or passivity, depending on your perspective).

Just saw a reference to this - Lloyd and Moran covering Ellington, Monk, Brian Wilson, Billie Holiday, and some originals. I am pretty excited about this - I hope they play some concerts

Anybody else think the Diz'n'Getz session is mildly disappointing?

Waltz's performance is the only reason I can think of that IB is worth watching. (OK, Melanie Laurent, but we have Beginners for that.