Big Beat Steve

As for those numerous new posts by one member linking pointless articles each day, I wish he wouldn't use this board as his personal blog and stop posting those threads. As I see it they're unnecessarily taking up a lot of space and so do those silly album cover threads. Agreed about those pointless links or trivia of little or no PRIMARY interest to most anybody who lurks here for what THIS board is all about ... 10% of those "I'LL start a thread by placing a link that nobody will really know what it's about until he's clicked on the link" would do nicely - and the rest? Expendable ... As for those album cover threads, admittedly they have gone out of hand a little in the choice of SOME topics/common denominators. But some of them are fun - or rather, they could be. HOWEVER ... is there much merit in looting ONLINE album cover sources for stuff, scans, pics? Originally I had understood those album cover threads to mean "See if you can come up with an album cover from your PERSONAL collection that fits the topic" (and in fact this is how I have handled my own - sparse - contributions to these threads throughout). (Sort of a variation of "What are you listening to" - now called "What you've got?") And who knows ... if it wer ehandled exclusively this way then this might spark a brief discussion about this or that album - for everybody's amusement, maybe. But if it's just a case of "I can do an online search faster than you can", then ... what's the point, in the long run?

Had read about this online here before so was not mislead, but had to snicker at the headline anyhow. Over in Austria there is a media "artist" who goes by the name of "Hermes Fettberg". He is as his name suggests, it seems, so one might start wondering what moving him was all about ...

Some visual impression here: http://www.shorpy.com/node/15721?size=_original#caption

But that's what I said and quoted (twice): "ALTERNATE Goodman"! (I'd thought that had made things halfway clear ) It would have been nice to have the master takes chronologically and comprehensively on vinyl back then (and even now) but honestly, with THIS artist I am not enough of a matrix suffix fetichist to whine about the fact that this or that recording may have been accessible as an alternate only and not as the master take. But given how spotty and overlapping the individual LP reissues were (such as those I mentioned above and which seem to to include several of the key CBS reissues, according to AMG) with several tunes being reissued several times and others not at all or not on easily accessible records, The "Alternate Goodman" series indeed seems to be the most comprehensive reissue of the Columbia-era music AS SUCH in ONE place. And if it weren't for the fact (again - already stated above) that this series does not include any alternates of quite a few of the master takes recorded during that era then the question of a comparable MASTER takes reissue SERIES would probably not have been asked at this time.

Thanks four your info, everybody! I hadn't actually thought of the Basie Columbia reissues on the red CBS twofers but it would indeed have been nice if there had been something like that featuring the BG recordings from that period. Looks, then, like the "Alternate Goodman "LP series was the next most comprehensive vinyl reissue (though there were quite a few Columbia recordings that were not represented by alternates in this series, including some of the Stan Getz features mentioned here earlier - which spurred my question).

This kind of "old paper" should be pretty collectible among hardcore fans of the classic Mustangs now.

Sad to see how all this seems to be the same worldwide. You could just as easily do a fact-based story like this in German and relating to the situation here and come up with just as ponderous, cluttering, P.C.-ish but nebulous phrases. What's even more galling is how this entire "social industry" is becoming more and more of a self-centered job creation industry that's more and more concerned with self-management and clerical navel-gazing that does nothing to help the patients but just creates more bureaucracy for everybody, eating up an ever-bigger share of taxpayer's money that goes into keeping up the clerical side of the social industry instead of directing funds into the actual care for those who need the care.

I'm not talking about the JAZZ WORKSHOP ("Jazz-Werkstatt" concert) intra-NDR LP releases of the 60s that have acquired cult status in certain circles. The sessions I am talking about are from the mid-50s or so and predate the "Jazz Workshop" by a long time. Besides, judging from those I caught on radio way back when they were rebroadcast in the early 80s, these 50s NDR recording tapes did not sound like concert recordings but more like real studio recordings (probably originally done for airplay only). But like you said - if the label is like you say then I'd really not set my hopes too high.

NDR must have lots of fine pre-avantgarde (i.e. 50s) Euro jazz in their archives from the time Hans Gertberg ran their jazz section. Many moons (decades) ago they re-aired some of these highlights from their vaults (e.g. collaborations between German and Swedish jazz musicians) late at night on NRD radio. Fascinating (and of course never to be heard again)! 'Bout time they mine THIS and not just the all too obvious bigger than big names in jazz.

Not wanting to sidetrack this discussion unduly but as I've found I do not have all the Stan Getz solo tracks discussed above (nor quite a few others from that period) here's a question to those who still are into vinyl (or remember what was around on vinyl): Was there ever a VINYL reissue series that chronicled the Columbia years of the BG BIG BAND in a comprehensive manner (similarly to the way RCA did it with its Bluebird twofers, etc.)? I have the entire 12-LP "The Alternate Goodman" LP series on Phontastic as well as an assortment of Columbia reissues ("Presents Eddie Sauer Arrangements"; "Clarinet A La King", "Put That Swing Back", "Solid Gold instrumental Hits" plus two compilations on Jazz Society) but which vinyls would you suggest to get the MASTER takes of the big band (but also of the small units) in a comprehensive maner? Provided there were any suitable reissue series (to keep overlaps within limits or avoid them altogether). (I have my outlets that I might scour for OOP vinyl, hence my question )

Not outside the US, rest assured ...

Those are the same titles as the French Vogue 10" release (7 titles in all - the UK releases tended to mirror their French counterparts) - what I need are the 6 US titles (Lee In Paree, Ballad For Ruth, You'd Be so Nice To Come Home To, I'll Remember April, These Things & Josh B'Gosh) Thanks so far!! Now you got me puzzled, for example ... These tracks are already partly there ... "You'd be so nice( to come home to)" and "I'll Remember April" are indicated in the Vogue 10in UK listing by BillF above. Which leaves 4. As for these, check out the liner notes of this music on "Ezz-Thetic" (Prestige LP 7827). It says: "I'll Remember April ... was issued in France as Lost Henri. Its Roost counterpart was called Lee in Paree." "The two takes of These Foolish Things have been known as These Things, 4 P.M., Ballad for Ruth and Lee-Tchee in their various incarnations." "Lee has long loved to pay All The Things you Are. When first released these versions were concealed under such titles as Josh B'Gosh, Record Shop Suey and Young Lee." So this accounts for all of the six "US titles" you seem to be looking for, right?. The liner notes of the vinyl reissue "Young Lee" on (French) Vogue 500105 seem to confirm these retitlings. Seems to me like a case of alternate takes (or maybe even one and the same master on diffedrent releases) receiving various bogus titles through various releases. I haven't done any aural comparisons but To me it looks like they are covered by the two abovementioned LP reissues on Prestige and Vogue as they total the number of versions of the 4 "actual" tunes you list in your opening post.

Sure. An economy can thrive on selling (yet more) mugs with the (soon to be outdated) picture of an infant ...

Kurt. So he (or rather his parents) can show there are some musical inclinations to soothe the rock tastes of a generation not so far ago and not that old yet. Other musically inclined "king"-ish names such as Crimson or even Perry or Kolax might be a bit too far back in time by now.

Has anybody from the (former) Monty Python crew weighed in yet with their comments? I'd bet what they have to say would be a hoot!

None of it included in Mr R&B's 'Be baba leba' compilation. But it's only an EP. MG You'd need to check out her OTHER Mr R&B album: New Million dollar Secret (on Whiskey WOmen and ... KM-707). Half of the EP is on there: All I Ask is Your Love (after-hours slow blues, as the title suggests) and Woojamacooja (nice danceable mid-tempo)

Not likely we're going to see a Prince Guy, right?

Good to see they did use repros of the original covers for the Boplicity vinyls of the Dootone series (as they did on Fresh Soudn which must have been more or less contemporary). I remember other Boplicity vinyls left me unimpressed (e.g. the Pepper/Baker "Playboys" 80s pseudo New-Wave-ish cover - nothing compared to the original cheesecake cover on WoPa. ).

O.K., that settles it ... the R&B output of the label will be (has been) taken care of very well ... I wasn't too impressed with the cover artwork of the Boplicity LPs in the 80s. Sort of nondescript cheapo and not evocative of the contents. Hope they do a job this time that matches that of the Ace CDs.

The Fresh Sound reissues of these sounded quite OK to me. But they shouldn't stop halfway. Reissue the RB& stuff, eH? How'about it?

Wouldn't a needle-drop still have been far better than skipping it? Now where's the outcry of the completists?

Wasn't it rather some form of "hydrocephalus" that he suffered from in his later days which ultimately led to his mental degradation? This is what his Wiki biography entry says. Not that I would always take Wikipedia as a 100% reliable source but the description of this disease corresponds to how he was described in his "final phase" in a very old post/thread somewhere here on this board several years ago.

I may be mistaken about the exact Charing Cross Road location, I only remember discovering Waterstones in the mid-to late 90s at a site surprisingly close to Foyle's (which left me wondering how both could thrive in such proxmimity, even in this "book shop district"). Haven't been to London since the yar 2000 so was wondering, but if they only closed down certain sites this answers my question.

Great move. More power to him! Waterstones (Charing Cross Road, right?) is gone too?

The real deal he sure was. "Pee Wee Get My Gun" was an ear-opener for quite a few fans of boppin blues sounds around here. Hard to imagine something like this could be committed NEW to wax and wasn't a reissue/rediscovery of electric blues of the late 50s or early 60s. At times he even made Elmore James or Hound Dog Taylor sound almost mild and restrainted compared to him. Tuff stuff ... RIP