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I don't want to seems the usual pessimist, but, with the Global Warming, the oil topping 100 $, (and I stop myself because I don't want someone coming out with "No Politics, Please"), I think that nobody in the world has a realistic forecast about wich will be the next format, unless at the Sony there are very good Nostradamus' exegetes. FWIW I am with Claude, the cheapest will win, though I am a bit skeptical about audiophiles's downloading. I mean that the broad band doesn't automatic mean hi-rez better sound-files. Since "audiophile" is a niche market already covered with different formats, high quality vinyl included, maybe the Hoffman-Grey solution will turn out to be the more profitable for the owners of copyrights, aka, the MAJORS.

If I could get myself to stop buying music for a month or two, I'd have one paid for. Someday, someday..... You should, how much time do you spend buying (on-line or in shops) instead of listening? Consider this: I bought a RCM five or six month ago, don't remember, since then I always listened to different records in order to clean them and I am far way to have all cleaned. Probably it will takes some years for it. Will I start to buy again when I'll have all cleaned? Don't know, at those time I'll be sure I listened to my records at least twice, when I bought them and when I cleaned them, but do I really "know" them in a couple of listening? I don't think so. Dig in your records is my suggestion...and buy a RCM.

A guy who know very well the subject... edit: a guy who knew very well the subject

The point with cocaine is that is one of the most insidious drug around. Apparently cocaine doesn't have the same social cost of heroin or other drugs: you can work, you can buy it, you can easily find it. Nor it has the same public blame: rich people use it, they aren't junkies in the streets. When one starts you buy a gram with some friends and spend a nice friday or saturday evening. Often you start because you're tired of a working week and cocaine helps. It doesn't affect your normal life: job, friends, ecc. After a while you're in an enviromental of cocaine consumers and you do it every weekend. The occasional gram became an habits: put togheter in the same room ten cocaine's consumers and at the end of the show the amount of drugs consumed will be much more then ten grams, because cocaine push you to consume more cocaine in a frantic way. Slowly you start consuming cocaine at work, because you think it helps, wich is obviously wrong, but you're psychologically addicted, you think you can manage all your distress, that is often caused by the drug itself. At the end of the road you're addicted, at that point you need to be rich, because the gram of the week end became five or six grams per day. The other day italian newspapers reported a news about the huge increasing of nose surgery that public hospitals have to do because of cocaine's abuse. Ten years ago this kind of surgery was pretty rare. Now we have waiting lists of several months. Go figure!

I realize that with such high number of control knobs and parameters, you may fine tuning every cartdrige you like playing even a double cheese pizza.

Over here cocaine is far less expensive that jazz box sets, and this is a pretty bad thing. When I was at college I lived one month, rent, food and everything included with 500,000 lire, the price of two grams of cocaine at those days. Today one gram of cocaine costs more or less the same of some pizzas and some pints for four buddies. If you have a 18 y/o son like me, this is pretty worrying. Needless to say that, as Keith Richards pointed out in a recent interview, the quality is falled down since then.

Actually I speak for myself, as everybody here does. I presume, since I start this thread I am allowed to ask Jim to move this thread in the political forum so I'll be free to express my points without hurting you. So, please Jim, may you move this thread into Political forum? (sorry for the trouble). From the Free Speech Movement to the "politically correct". Do you call it "progress"? Good Luck!

No politics, please, and anyway, they were by the Shia majority. Damn! I will post always in the political forum, even the latest BN reissues, so nobody will come out with "NO POLITICS, PLEASE"! Everything has a political side, let's face it. When we are complaining about the majors, the prices of CD, Norah Jones or deletions of records in big labels' catalogues, we are talking about economy and POLITIC. The point is if one takes Bruce's post only as a joke, and the thread follows the topic, or if sweeps into a harsh political discussion. We are growned enough to accept a joke about politic in a thread outside the political forum, aren't we?

And yet you are starting a thread, asking which pressings offer the best sound quality... Sorry, just kidding! Surely it's mostly about the music. But I can honestly say that I'm also interested in sound equipment, recording and reproduction. There are people just interested in sound quality and the technology, spending thousands and thousands on their HiFi gear and never talk about the music. That kind of poeple often get wry comments on forums like this one, but I try not to say anything on the subject; let people obsess with stereo equipment if they want to. I also don't say anything about those who are interested in cars, but not in travelling. I am very interested in sound equipments and recordings and over the years I spent considerable amounts of money on it, I am one who believe that interconnects and power cables make a difference, I found some of this stuff even sexy! http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=36927 I am saying that I dislike that sort of religious wars about "The Absolute and Truthful Sound" that are going on in lots of forums. Maybe the definition "high fidelity" is misleading, there are thousands of gear and SACD and vinyls out there who claim to be the best in "fidelity". After a long trip I realized that there are stuff I like and stuff I dislike, and it's based on my ears and personal taste, not on "fidelity".

Sorry if I dusted off old worn hats - that is, I wasn't aware of those folddown mixes. I come to like mono more and more, and in the case of the Atlantics I totally agree with you. No problem. Like a lot of things, music-related hardware is a matter of personal feeling. That's why I dislike endless arguing about what is the best remastering or if mono are better then stereo or fight like Tube vs Solid State. The truth doesn't belong to material things: hi-fi gear, SACD or vinyl, truth is in the music itself. It doesn't matter by wich means the music reach your soul: digital, analog, vacuum tube, an i-Pod, a 50K TT, original pressing or SACD. Some of us are moved by old cracky vinyl, others by the latest hi-rez digital stuff, others by iPod, who cares? The important thing is being affected by music. I always loved "A Love Supreme" even when I had it on a lousy cassette recorded by a friend. I am happy that in the stream of time I could afford better stuff for listening Coltrane, but that didn't change my love.

No problems. I am a bit worried that the news about the stereo could hit the market of the BN Mono Stocks like the crisis of subprime funds, should we ask FED and ECB to speak out it in order to calm the Vinyl Stock Market?

That is true, though my NY stereo pressings don't sound such lousy.

Personally I like both mono and stereo, though it depends on session. About reissues, I have no problem to believe that a stereo master, aged 40 years, sounds better then a 40 y/o mono master that is actually a second generation master obtained folded down the stereo. And in some case, like early Atlantic, the mono are always better because the unnatural separation of channels. edit: didn't we do this very same discussion at least a dozens of times, did we? No suprise new generation don't appreciate jazz, if jazz fans like us are victims of ageing diseas: lost of memory, alzheimer...

No news, Wolff posted it a couple of years ago, Chuck agreed it and if you go to Ron Rambach's Music Matters site it's clearly stated that after October 30, 1958, BN monos were 50% channels' fold down. http://www.musicmattersjazz.com/sound.html. Said that, if you already have a collection of BN original monos, are you going to replace it with new stereo reissues because of that? I have a lot of "true" monos of other labels, including Prestige, VeeJay, ecc and the early Beatles/Stones/Dylan/James Brown, ecc. as you probably know stereo and mono mixes were radically different in the early rock records so the earth remains firm under the feets over here, so I believe it does in Sidewinder's garden.. BTW The Music Matters 45rpm Test Pressing that Ron sent to me (Horace Parlan BST 4043) sounds gorgeous, the best I heard from a reissue, unfortunately I haven't the original pressing of this particular title, nor mono or stereo, so I couldn't direct A/B compare, but I did with the Mosaic I have, and it was a no contest. Hoffman did a great job on it, way better then the Classics I own and closer to Van Gelder's early sound and spirit. So if you're in the market for the "new" best sounding BN reissues I warmly reccomend it, if you can afford the price and bare the annoyance of flip the record after every track.

For sure Allen or Chuck should know it better then me, but AFIK if RVG or VanGelder is not on the dead wax means that RVG recorded the session, but didn't do the mastering job. I have "The Real McCoy", Liberty stereo, that haven't got any Rudy's stamps in the dead wax, only the catalogue number BST-84264, and the sound isn't the usual RVG's sound of the Liberty pressings.

Stick to it if you like it. I auditioned at my home for a week a very expensive japanese tubed pre amp with three phono imputs. Rave reviews, handmade, no PCB, fully tubed, no transistor on signal path, you name it. I gave it today back, I prefer my old Audio Research. So I'll do with the new superTT if I'll not like the sound. I am pretty lucky to have a hi-fi seller who's a friend, so I can audition his used and demo stuff now and then in my system.

Funny that this thread popped up more then 3 years later. I started it when I got back my old Thorens and my records' boxes from the garage of my parents. Now I can hardly listening to CDs anymore, I ineherited my dad's classical collection, I rediscovered a lot of LPs I bought in my youth, I have almost all Mosaic I really wished, a lot of original pressings, included some Lexington's and none of the japanese pressings suggested, I replace my Thorens with a Linn LP12 (and I am going to replace it soon with a brand new "used" superturntable at a very good price with two arms with a mono cartdrige and a stereo one). My bank account suffered a bit, but I am happy I did it. I feel I have enough music on vinyl to dig for the rest of my life. Sometimes life can be sweet.

http://www.toneimports.com/emt/jpa66.html With one of this baby at home who cares about reissues or remastering? Sadly it will cost like a BMW...german made.

Are you referring to the first De Luxe 2 CD edition?

Her father came out publicly and asked her fans to STOP buying her CD's so that she wouldn't be able to keep up her destructive lifestyle and would be forced to get the help she needs. I haven't really heard her music, one of those musical things I expect to get around to someday without a lot of urgency attached to it. Congrats to her father, smart move ...someone have to ask publicy her fans to kill her father so that she probably quit her destructive lifestyle...maybe not, when your father is able to do such thing, you need more then a bullet to quit destructive lifestyle. BTW never listen nothing of her, but after her father, i'll buy her works.

Auguri, Sì.

I had a mispressed Lee Morgan's VJ that sounded like a chewingum, after a couple of minutes I started to suffer of seasick. Chuck's statement applies to all my mis-centered UA pressings in that the LP itself stays in place, but the grooves are not centered on the piece of vinyl. So, tecnically, the hole is in the "right" place, the grooves are not. Indeed, my VJ was exactly this way, the tonearm was moving laterally tracking the groove, among the extremes the pitch's changing was clearly audible.

The list is lacking the famous quote about the Beatles's failed audition at Decca:

Actually I've done this with a pocket knife. If you use the label as a reference point, you can figure out where to make the whole bigger, and then line it up properly on your turntable. Of course, if turntable manufacturers allowed for the removal of the spindle, as they used to, you could easily solve the problem every time. If you have a serious disc clamper, heavy or fastening, you could widening the hole, center the lp and the problem should be solved...or am I wrong? Unfortunately, most of the TTs haven't serious clamper. About what Cuck said , I had a mispressed Lee Morgan's VJ that sounded like a chewingum, after a couple of minutes I started to suffer of seasick.

Maybe it's no new, but I found it funny http://www.2spare.com/item_50221.aspx