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Not correct. SH is a reasonable remastering engineer. Never said anything different. Just never thought he was the "end all". SH has pissed on Rudy's work and made a large part of his career selling masterings of Rudy's tapes. "Amazing sounds" is not an unusual message from SH when "remastering" RVG tapes. I just think this is jive. Both are fallible guys but one is an original. Surprisingly I totally agree with you.

Yeah, that was an embarassing thread; don't know what bug got up his ass on that one. And Sckot's not usually such a dick either. I did find it funny, though, that some of Steve's curt and ambiguous comments reminded me of Chuck. The point is that Steve and Chuck seems to have a different opinion...maybe Chuck should give Steve a call for a 45rpm reissues' series of the Nessa label. I'd put the meeting on YouTube

Reading the SHF, I noted that some guys over there are planning to sell their original pressings in order to have enough money for the 45rpm reissues, well if it will have some positive effects on the price of the originals...that might change my opinion about the issue...

If old audio mag tapes are similar to the early Ampex video mag tapes that I occasionally have to use in my job, I can swear that they will last much less then two centuries. Even with later, and supposendly better, broadcasting standards, like U-Matic and Betacam SP, the damages of aging are undebatable, period. In Michael Fremer website there is an interview of Matthew Greenwald with Bruce Botnick, sound engineer of the Elektra, "The Doors" and "Love" just to name the most famous of his customers, MG: What's your opinion of digital multi-track recorded sound, and your opinion of digital recording, period, compared to analog? Which do you prefer? BB: I would venture to say that 95% of the music that I've recorded in the last eight years has been all digital. Digital does not basically sound better than analog, but what it does do, is that the sound doesn't change from what you're recording. With analog, you record it, and when you play it back, you will get a fair representation of what you heard on line-in. Play it back a half an hour later, and it will have changed, there are less highs. Play it a day later, and it will really have changed. The high end just changes, it's a natural process of the magnetism of the particles, and when you magnetize, record them, they change. The magnetic particles have a memory and want to go back to their original inert state. It's just the way it is. In digital, you record it, and it doesn't change. The problem with digital is the quality of the analog-to-digital and digital-to-analog converters. At this point in time, the A-to-D and D-to-A's are getting where you can record on it and it doesn't sound “digital” anymore. “Digital” meaning that it sounds cold. “Cold” meaning that digital doesn't show you all of the details, like the depth of the reverb and harmonic room tone. Because there's lack of detail, and especially lack of harmonics going way out, that sound would seem colder, and "digital." Right now, I'm recording 96 K, 24 bit, and whew! It's good! I mean, you're really, really hard pressed to tell it from the source. Obviously, Mr Hoffman's version of "The Doors" album is better then the original, as he claimed somewhere in his forum http://www.musicangle.com/feat.php?id=144&page=4

Yeah...who removed the pict of M. Brando and M. Schneieder in my previous post?

What wrong with Maria Schneider? Didn't you like "LAST TANGO IN PARIS"?

From a newsletter I got from Acoustic Sounds, the reissues series will be two. http://store.acousticsounds.com/whatsnew.cfm Same Hoffmann/Grey 45rpm double LP. One from Music Matters, one from Acoustic Sounds. The thing is getting bigger.

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One could make the argument that producing a high quality, "purest sound possible" reissue in the vinyl format will do more to preserve the sound of the original tapes than it would be to lock up the tapes in Iron Mountain. The tapes deteriorate - both from use and non-use - and the CDs that have been made from them in the past haven't always sounded that good. What's closer to the spirit of Rudy's original tapes: an eq-tweaked and narrowed stereo spread RVG CD or an LP made with minimal tweaking and full stereo spread? There's also the issue that vinyl may have a longer "shelf life" than CDs - though obviously more time is needed to prove that in real world conditions. Or would we rather have these artistic treasures "archived" only in the digital medium? Damn, now where did I put those old 5" floppy discs? Good points. There isn't a definitive answear to all the issues raised in this thread. Even if we consider master tapes "works of art", what's the best way to preserve them? Not even the "experts" agree about it. My analogy with paintings missed the target in this point.

Personally I don't know, ask to Chuck for it, but don't use the word "copyrights" in the question. Seriously, we'd need specific laws for it and, for what I understand about law, (the few I learned watching "legal thriller" at TV), these laws could be in contrast with private properties (aka copyrights). Not easy to preserve "works of art". Actually a very rich nut could buy a Picasso and burn it in his fireplace, is there any law against it?

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Totally agree. What I'd add to your analysis is that some minor team's players lack the experience of an high level national league. It's not a case that the best italian players play in France or in other countries with a longer tradition. Anyway, I hope the Italians will have their moments in the Championship. Rugby's movement is increasing over here, and some good results will help.

It's called "archiving." The current commercial CD issues could remain in print, right? If you want vinyl, buy Classics or buy used. So it's okay for Rudy or Classic Recs (Bernie G.) to use them, but not these guys? Say...you're not biased, are you? You haven't even heard 'em yet... Do you buy the Classic Recs reissues? (My money says you don't) Please help me understand your logic... I am not Clifford, but I would like to add my thoughts. I believe the main logic under all this is "MONEY". Since there are people out there ready to buy everything that contains "From Original Master Tapes" written on the box, the big musical corporates are happy to lend the masters to everybody, their goal is to make money and make happy their stockholders, period. It doesn't matter if we are talking about Vinyl, RVG remastered, JRVG or SACD. There is a market for the "ultimate sound form THE ORIGINAL MASTER TAPES" so they provide the products. Regarding "Archiving", I agree with Clifford and Chuck, BUT if you consider the Master Tapes as Cultural Heritage, like paintings, you should totally shift from a commercial point of view to a higher level of cultural consciousness, so you should have different laws, in this case we wouldn't talk about EMI, but EMI Foundation for Preserving Jazz Music. The shift would mean that historical recordings should be treated like a Picasso: different taxes, cd cheaper for students, maybe some goverment's financing, ecc., and different laws about copyrights. I think we are not ready for it, nor corporates, nor customers...maybe only Chuck , surely not the today's music market. The latest RIAA report shows how much money the labels are loosing, illegal downloading sure, but also a general loosening of interest about music, due to the increasing of other forms of entertainments, like videogames, home cinema, ecc.. So every way to make money, even for a niche market, with minimum cost, (they already have the tapes, they haven't got to produce new music or promote new artists), is OK for RIAA and the guys with the big cigar in the biggest offices of Sony Entertainments. Obviously Hoffman, Grundman and Rudy may have more honourable reason then money...you know "For Brutus is an honourable man; So are they all, all honourable men"

What's wrong with %?&$# Italians? A part the fact that we beated France in the WC final?

Rai International's is one the worst branchs of italian national broadcasting system. Obviously there are some cash reasons, Murdoch, for the 70s taste for football matches. Rai International was first conceveid for the italians who live abroad, long term immigrants included. The bad thing is that is a kind of showtime of the worst Rai produces, and a huge waste of money for tax payers. In general I would say that RI is the appropriate picture of the country and its vices.

I can't speak for anyone involved, but this is intended as a limited edition audiophile-targeted product... so to complain that it's then limited seems rather silly. EMI certainly doesn't want this product to compete with theiir CD sales, so they likely require it being targeted to another audience: those few who still spin vinyl. Vinyl is a tough enough sell to the general public, so many of the LPs pressed these days are targeted to the audiophile... hence the 45 rpm pressng, the thick vinyl, the limited numbers, etc. Yeah, it's a "collectors" product, driven by a certain business model. I'm not sure you can blame the guys that master it any more than you can blame Ron McMaster for Blue Note's CD reissue series. Personally I wish these were cut at 33 and dropped in price, but I'm not really the market for them. Agree, though I bet that there are more then 1000 "audiophiles" out there ready to buy this stuff. I know Ron Rambach of Music Matters, I use to buy used records from him and he's a nice guy. I think that the "limited edition" is the only way, as Mosaic, to have the masters for the job. And "collector's item" it's getting the only way to make some money from this business. Mosaic numbers were usually higher because they used to have both vinyl and cd. And I think that was a kind of trade off: Mosaic does the job in the vaults, researches, mastering, ecc., Emi allowed Mosaic to press first, then they take over. Another point could be that, to some extent, a big corporate thinks that reputable small labels, like Mosaic or audiophile labels, can sell their catalogue better. How many Mosaic Select did you buy only because they are "Mosaic"?

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Yep, you spare the money for the gym. And if they would press the records in increasing weight, starting from 180 grams up to 100 kg, after you listened to all of them you'll be ready for Mister Olimpia

Damn! The first bad news of the day! RIP Joe.

Correct, and two cds per week, if you chose to listent to them instead of watching tv, are a fair amount of music that you can dig. Eight cd per month are 96 cds per year, now, considering that the our purchasing life will last for seventy years, I want to be optimistic, at the end we will leave at our heirs less then 7000 cds. That is more or less what I already have in my shelves, cd and vinyls. And I don't have enough time for it. I can't listen to music at work, so I don't have an ipod, I can't listen in my commuting time, I ride a motorbike. Before my favourite vinyl shop closed down I used to drop there a couple of times per week, asking to the owners, that were, at that point "friends", if there are something knew incoming. And I had the privilege to watch the new, used, stuff before other customers. That was the part of the pleasure: I had good suggestions from them, we discuss about music. And that was fun. Ordering on line or eBay are necessary because some titles were impossible to find over here. I placed some huge orders at Mosaic/True Blue during their sales, and I have still some sealed cds on the shelves. I even sold them sealed when I found an original pressing. I have the big Ellington set, I think I listened to four or five cds and I don't remember wich ones. Some of the purchase are made because I think that they were unmissable: because they are, supposedly "limited edition", later on I discovered that they realesed a new remastered, better sounding edition with bonus tracks. So I bought them again and again. Now I am focusing on my existing collection the only thing I miss is the vinyl shop, more for the people then for the records.

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If I remember well you praised a lot Classic's reissues, and they got licenses for a lot of heavy hitters, from Rock to BN. Though I agree that Hoffman/Grey are among the best in the job and I agree with you I wish they did the Classic, some the new titles were already available as Classic 33rpm reissues. There are a lot of great music that lies forgotten in the vault and they came out with the 5th, or 50th, reissue of Mobley's Soul Station. http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_det...?Title_ID=14370 and http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_det...m?Title_ID=1299 and http://www.bluenote.com/detail.asp?SelectionID=9429 I found frankly disturbing that in this business they are always pushing for buying the "ultimatesupermegatruelifeextramagictubey" sound at big bucks and at the same time they are complaining about dowloading and public domain. They are exploiting the latest paying niche of the market, true music lovers and "audiophiles", (you can be both at the same times, whatever Chuck can say). Plain and simple. Cuscuna's job for Mosaic is of another level.

Yes, that's the difference between collecting records and an addiction. Being addicted to cigarettes, which I am, doesn't enrich my life and I know it. MG It's because "music" is socially accepted as cultural value. So if a woman would spend the same amount of money on shoes she would be "addicted" to shopping, meanwhile we are "enriching" our lifes. Consider this analogy, she probably will wear one pair of shoes only once or two in her life, exactly like us will listen once or two a cd, but this will "enrich" our life. BS. Unless you're Mozart that could wrote down a Mass after only one listening, you'll never "enrich" your life if you listened to a cd only once. An addiction is an addiction as far it generates a compulsive behavior. It may be more or less harmful, but is an addiction. Said that I'll have to go, I've got a couple of auctions on eBay

Well, at least they have all those nice King pressings in Tokyo's vinyl shops. Indeed! I didn't take NEARLY enough money to Japan in 2002! England 28-3 to USA. But from what I see in BBC blog commentary (football on other side), USA showing up well from time to time. MG If there is one problem with this competition is that they are a lot of teams who are mostly looking for moral victories. I didn't get it, sorry, I mean what Italy are supposed to do against ALL BLACKS, or U.S. against ENGLAND? Men, it's like a W. Allen vs M. Alì match, and Woody would consider a moral victory if his heirs could have his whole corpse without have to look for pieces around the Madison Square Garden.