Tim McG

Wow pretty damning. A column written and published a few days before the Mitchell report even came out by a columnist who hasn't read it. And reading it changes the flawed method of research the Mitchell people used, um...how? You know, I don't need to experience a shark bite before I can understand how much it hurts, either. I can read about it and be perfectly satisfied that shark bites suck. I'm kinda funny that way. I actually did read that article and it doesn't support your claim at all. If anything, the theme of the article is "in order to judge the report, we'll have to read it when it comes out." From the article: I'm suprised more hasn't been made of all the cashed checks and handwritten notes from players that are included as figures and exhibits in the report; I think I said it above but the one from Paul Lo Duca near the end is a riot. I seriously do not know how you can come to any reasonable conclusion that the authors of this article are promoting the notion we need to read the report and then decide what it means. No. What it clearly states is Mitchell had a vested interest in Red Sox Baseball and that his reseach techniques were fatally flawed or contain irrevocable errors due to shoddy research practices.

Why thanks, Chuck. Nice to see somebody here understands the difference between accepting anything the media feeds you at face value VS actual thinking and reasoning. 'Preciate it.

Wow pretty damning. A column written and published a few days before the Mitchell report even came out by a columnist who hasn't read it. And reading it changes the flawed method of research the Mitchell people used, um...how? You know, I don't need to experience a shark bite before I can understand how much it hurts, either. I can read about it and be perfectly satisfied that shark bites suck. I'm kinda funny that way.

BTW....here's the "list" : The List

Funny...I didn't see Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire or Rafael Palmiero on the "list." Hm.

Are you suggesting players who were doing unsportsmanlike things to improve their game (whether legal or not at the time) don't deserve scrutiny? Not at all. What I am saying is this report is so full of holes it couldn't pass for a screen door. Credibility is now in question as well as any "evidence" garnered by this group.

I think this does: Questions about the validity of the Mitchell Report

Not so fast, Aggie. You may want to read this first: Questions about the validity of the Mitchell Report

To wit: Mitchell Report

[ahem] I patiently await the over-focused media feeding frenzy to begin on this group of players. Yeah...that'll happen Clemens, Bonds, Tejada named in Mitchell Report By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer December 13, 2007 AP - Dec 13, 12:03 pm EST NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada and Andy Pettitte were named in the long-awaited Mitchell Report on Thursday, an All-Star roster linked to steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs that put a question mark -- if not an asterisk -- next to some of baseball's biggest moments. Barry Bonds, already under indictment on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about steroids, also showed up in baseball's most infamous lineup since the Black Sox scandal. The report culminated a 20-month investigation by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, hired by commissioner Bud Selig to examine the Steroids Era. It was uncertain whether the report would result in any penalties or suspensions. Several stars named in the report could pay the price in Cooperstown, much the way Mark McGwire was kept out of the Hall of Fame this year merely because of steroids suspicion. "Former commissioner Fay Vincent told me that the problem of performance-enhancing substances may be the most serious challenge that baseball has faced since the 1919 Black Sox scandal," Mitchell said in the 409-page report. "The illegal use of anabolic steroids and similar substances, in Vincent's view, is 'cheating of the worst sort.' He believes that it is imperative for Major League Baseball to 'capture the moral high ground' on the issue and, by words and deeds, make it clear that baseball will not tolerate the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs." Eric Gagne and Paul Lo Duca were among other current players named in the report, both linked to Human Growth Hormone. "We identify some of the players who were caught up in this drive to gain a competitive advantage," the report said. "Other investigations will no doubt turn up more names and fill in more details, but that is unlikely to significantly alter the description of baseball's `steroids era' as set forth in this report."

Uh, huh. In New York they are performed by the Village Yutz.

30's tonight. 50's tomorrow.

Two strings walk into a bar, sit down and order a beer. The bartender leans over and glares at them then says, "We don't serve strings." After they go outside, one string says to the other, "I'll get us a beer." He proceeds to fray both ends of his string and tie himself into a knot. Then he goes back into the bar and orders a beer. The same bartender leans over and says, "Didn't I just tell you we don't serve strings?" "Frayed knot."

Two guys walk into a bar. The third one ducked.

Circumnsized here. My son, too. So who cares....?

I had forgot about I Can See for Miles...it was another big favorite of mine as a young teen.

Best Who album ever, all-time:

Thanks.

How could you not like Live at Leeds This would be comparable to saying you like cereal but not milk.

The Best Who LP for all time:

Tell us what album the Who recorded Jumpin' Jack Flash on. Happy Jack...my bad. Right neighborhood, wrong address.

Happy Jack was a favorite of mine as a young lad in junior HS. As I moved on into High School and became an angry young man in opposition to the Vietnam War and the draft, I gravitated toward songs like Won't Get Fooled Again, My Generation, Substitute, Young Man Blues and Behind Blue Eyes. Even now, when I hear these songs, the anger is as palatable as it was back then when my friends and I faced down the draft. But as an all time favorite Who tune I'd have to say it was Pinball Wizard.

Organissimo is a place to go when nobody else will accept you. The great discussions, the community and the like-minded moderators make this website a joy to come to and to be human once again. Thank you, Jim.

OK. I make it no secret that in my youth [born in 1954, raised in the 60s and 70s] I was a big time Who fan and a fan of Blues Rock in general. Couldn't help it. The Vietnam War was raging and all we had to cling to was the music. IMHO, the best Who album ever is Live at Leeds, bar none, hands down, game over....end of conversation. HOWEVER....what I want to know is which of the many great Who tunes you consider to be the best few of the bunch. In short, I'm Goin' Mobile on this one

Doesn't matter....they'd just blow it on some Alex Smith-type anyway