Tim McG

Just plain good taste, IMHO

Or maybe it's time to see beyond your own personal views and see the big picture. News flash: Not everybody thinks like you do. Nuff said?

In small like-minded circles of friends, yes. On a public BBS, not at all. Because in order for me to read any thread he posts on, I must first be subjected to that disgustingly self-abusing avatar. I say: Show some class.

Please. Censorship is no answer. Insulting my intelligence isn't either. I have posed a question of BBS etiquette. Is that a problem?

Thanks, Aloc. [Depending upon what it may be] I owe you one.

BBQ'ing the Bird again this year....going on 20 years now. The difference for us is that we rub fresh basil and Extra Virgin olive oil along with a generous portion of sea salt and fresh ground pepper into the skin before cooking. Add sliced onion, carrots and celery into the cavity of the turkey for additional flavor. Adding a cup and a half of water to keep things moist, cover in foil then introduce soaked hickory chips to the coals every so often makes for one mighty fine gravy. Trust me on this one

What about self-abusing oneself into an inflated head and biceps and hitting more home runs than anyone else? Oh you just can't be serious, Aggie. Was Bonds pictured as a bloody mass of muscles? Go back to Germany.

Actually, that looks kinda cool! Indeed. No bloody eyeballs, no disgusting animation.

Please. A cartoon character smashing himself into a bloody mass is just plain disgusting. Half naked women? No problem. Avant-garde art? No issue. Self-abusing oneself into a bloody oblivion? Big giant, HUGE problem.

How 'bout it, huh?

Maybe it's cool to be disgusting and cluelessly edgy in your world...but the the fact is your avatar is just plain bloody disgusting. Give us all a break and ramp it back a bit, eh?

When people talk about Santa's reindeer, hardly anybody ever mentions Olive. You know, Olive. Last I heard, Olive, the other reindeer, used to laugh and call Rudolph names. So, whatever happened to Olive?

Cal Berzerkly didn't look much better. Maybe they can land in the Weed Whacker Bowl or something.

Now how cool is that....Congrats, JazzyPaul!

Stop it already....I'm dying, here!

so you do think he took steroids, and therefore he did commit perjury. you don't think they'll be able to prove it, so their efforts to do so amount to a witch hunt? C'mon, you're just playing with the words now, JS. Go back and read what I wrote on this thread. It's clear enough what I meant.

Yer killin' me, Guys

I'm sensing a little hostility here. You'd be correct. He's a fool and a joke and has yet to say a single intelligent, defensible thing about this issue, and I am going to continue to point that out. Why...because you say so? That's laughable at best and a pathetic cry for attention at the very least. Apparently, you aren't used to people calling you on your bullshit. Are you a school board member or a school administrator of some type? VP or CEO, perhaps? Denny's manager, maybe?Your attitude toward those who disagree with you fits the profile: Arrogant and abusive. Cheers!

I don't get what the big deal is. Just exactly how much money does Jack Daniels have to make for cryin' out loud? So somebody is making a profit. Is that suddenly a problem in America?

Giants re-signed RHP Tyler Walker to a one-year deal. [heaviest of sighs] Baby steps.

That pretty much sums it up, as far as I can see. They gave him immunity and he pissed in their faces. This tends to upset people for some reason. If you were innocent wouldn't you tell the GJ to go to take a flying leap if they offered immunity? I sure as hell would. They were assuming guilt at that point, otherwise it never would have been offered. You continue to be a dumb ass fuck. The government was going after BALCO and its employees. It offered the exact same deal to every athlete caught up in that criminal organization: testify truthfully, and there will be no charges whatsoever. Only Giambi understood that and doesn't suffer from the immense ego that prevented Bonds from understanding the risk he was running. There have been so many articles about the indictment I can't recall which one this appeared in, but it is went like this: You go after the customers to get the company. ********************** As for your wholesale acceptance of how the defense is going to try to explain away the positive steroid test, good luck. Anyone with a brain will see the mountain of evidence for what it is: A devastating picture of a man who used countless steroids and failed to tell the truth under oath. Whatever, Dan. Evidence? If you think the prosecution can advance it's case with a non-secured urine sample, one which anybody could have messed with, then you have gone completely 'round the bend, my misguided friend. The rest has been pure speculation, Dan. This case should never have been brought this far....but, that's what you get in a witch hunt, eh? I wait with baited breath for this "mountain of evidence" you keep harping on....I wonder if his ex-girlfriend will testify? That'll seal it, huh.

That pretty much sums it up, as far as I can see. They gave him immunity and he pissed in their faces. This tends to upset people for some reason. If you were innocent wouldn't you tell the GJ to go to take a flying leap if they offered immunity? I sure as hell would. They were assuming guilt at that point, otherwise it never would have been offered.

Not so fast, Dan. I read in the paper this morning that the all important damning evidence is a tainted urine sample taken from Conte during a raid on his place in 2003. If that's all they have, this witch hunt is over. To wit: [Read it and weep, Dan] Bonds' lawyers to question steroid test By PAUL ELIAS11/16/07 16:48:18 AP sports analyst Ben Walker says many players are hypocritical about steroid use. "I've never seen these documents," Barry Bonds said. He was testifying before a federal grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, or BALCO, and had just been shown what prosecutors say was a positive steroid test conducted on a player named Barry B. "I've never seen these papers," Bonds repeated, according to Thursday's indictment charging Bonds with perjury and obstruction of justice. Those test results may now be the vital linchpin to proving he lied under oath. Bonds' lawyers are expected to fiercely attack their reliability, much the way O.J. Simpson's legal team undermined the football star's murder case by questioning the handling of his blood samples. Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, declined to comment. But BALCO founder Victor Conte offered some insight Friday into how the slugger's legal team might cast doubt on the evidence. It was November 2000, and Bonds was preparing for the season in which he would shatter Mark McGwire's single-season home run record. According to Conte, himself a convicted steroids dealer, Bonds would visit the lab on Saturdays and after normal business hours with an entourage that included his trainer, Greg Anderson, and his personal physician, Dr. Arthur Ting. Anderson had convinced Bonds to use BALCO to develop a dietary and supplement regimen, which Conte designed based on the results of the blood and urine samples. Conte said Bonds was put through the same tests as other elite athlete clients, including tests to detect the use of 30 different steroids. Conte hired Quest Diagnostics to do a "quick and dirty" analysis of the samples, to save money. The lab charged Conte $80 per test, rather than its usual $120, after Conte agreed to cut out much of the paperwork and elaborate protocol that typically accompany drug tests. For instance, Conte said a licensed lab technician never watched Bonds urinate in the bottle. Nor were the samples ever formally sealed, dated and signed by an independent collector. There was also no formal process for who handled the samples at Quest, Conte said. The indictment does not explain where prosecutors obtained the results, but Conte said they were seized when federal agents raided his lab in September 2003. "If that's the smoking gun," Conte said, "it doesn't have any bullets." The U.S. Attorney's office in San Francisco declined to comment. Criminal defense attorneys not affiliated with the case say the reliability of blood and urine tests are always open to second-guessing even when the forensic handling is done flawlessly. "There is always an opportunity to attack that kind of forensic evidence through its chain of custody," said attorney William Sullivan, who recently won an acquittal for former federal prosecutor Richard Convertino on an obstruction charge alleging he withheld evidence in a terrorism trial in Detroit. "You look at how the evidence was preserved, who handled it," Sullivan said. "You can even attack the analysis itself." Similar chain-of-custody problems exploited by Simpson's lawyers helped derail the prosecution's murder case against him. Los Angeles County prosecutors argued that DNA testing on blood, hair and fibers collected at the murder scene proved Simpson's blood and the blood of the two victims were present. But Simpson's defense team was able to cast doubt on whether the evidence tested was the same as that collected at the scene by showing that each piece of DNA evidence was handled by at least three people before it was tested. The problems with the Simpson evidence prompted law enforcement agencies to adopt more stringent protocols. Few of those protocols were followed in collecting and analyzing Bonds' blood and urine, Conte said. "I don't think you can prove those were Barry's samples," he said. Another vulnerable spot in the government's case is Anderson's steadfast refusal to testify against Bonds. Because federal prosecutors were so adamant that the trainer should go to prison for refusing to testify, the trainer's lawyers - and most other observers - believed Anderson's testimony was necessary to indict Bonds. But Anderson was released from prison Thursday and, according to his lawyers, he never cooperated with the investigation. He could land back in prison, however, if prosecutors decide to call him as a witness during the trial and he refuses to testify. Criminal defense attorneys said other parts of the government's case against Bonds are ripe for attack - none bigger than the testimony of his former mistress, Kimberly Bell. In 2005, Bell told a grand jury investigating Bonds for perjury that the slugger told her he used steroids. But Bell is open to withering cross-examination, lawyers said. Rains said she was miffed that Bonds didn't pay her the nearly $200,000 she demanded when their 10-year relationship ended in 2003. Bell said she was asking Bonds to keep a promise to buy her house in Arizona, but Rains said the demand amounted to extortion. The indictment cited 19 instances in which Bonds lied during his grand jury testimony, including several denials that he took performance enhancing drugs. Little other evidence is presented in the indictment, but that doesn't mean prosecutors don't have something else up their sleeve, legal experts said. "He testified four years ago and they indicted him Thursday," said New York criminal defense attorney Brad Simon, a former federal prosecutor. That tells me they have a new witness or some new evidence we don't know about that seals the deal."

I haven't a clue why you bring up Dubya and couldn't care less. The simple point is that if there was the slightest flicker of an intelligent argument from you, there would be people here backing you up. The fact that there aren't any says everything about your knowledge (you continue to assert factual inaccuracies about what Bonds admitted to) and your intelligence (your laughable assertions about steroids and a batter's power and proclivity to hit home runs - rejected by every single person who has bothered to offer an opinion). You are a lonely, sad, pathetic man, railing at the "injustice" of it all. Sound like someone who was just indicted by a Grand Jury? Yeah, yeah, yap, yap, yap. Maybe we see how the trial turns out, eh? Then we see who had it right and who had it wrong, eh? Perjury is a helluva hard provable point here and you know it, Dan. Otherwise, you wouldn't be so damned smug and abusive. Berate me, abuse me, but when it all comes down to it....you don't know shit from Shinola relative to how the trial will turn out. I don't pretend to know how it will turn out...why do you?

Whatever, Dan. You have convinced yourself that anyone who disagrees with the Jazz enthusiasts of this BBS has to be a complete idiot. You told me so on a previous post about what you percieve they think about Bonds' alledged guilt. That makes just about as much sense as saying Gee Dumbya was actually elected to office. He was assigned to office and by the right wing leaning Supreme Court. You know it, I know it. Pretending it isn't so just shows your ignorance. Bonds, conversely, is being judged by a tabloid seeking media with has obviously tainted the GJ with all of the unsubstatiated kiss-and-tell bullshit. Why all the anger? Why all the vitriol? Why all the insult? Is it because what I have said all along that people have a problem with a Black man doing well and breaking a time hnored HR record? Is it because you're afraid I just might be right? Look in the mirror, Dan....do you see honesty looking back at you? I predict the GJ trial will turn up more of the same and will not be able to prove perjury. Bonds walks...but because of simple minds like yours...his career will be forever tainted. Satisfied now?