Tim McG

Giants are back in 1st place! Now we wait and see who Sabean brings up to fill the vacant LF position.

My edit: Message deleted. I want to talk baseball not ten year-old allegations, true or not, which have nothing at all to do with this sport we all love. Fair?

In all the years in which you've maintained this stance (that PEDs didn't help Bonds to hit additional HRs), not a single person on this board has come forward and agreed with you. So by stating it again, and KNOWING nobody here agrees with you, you are simply trolling for argumentative responses. This is a statement of fact. Whatever, Dude. You can believe the fantasy, I'll believe the facts. GO Giants!

Please stop making this claim. Nobody here agrees with you. Nobody here is going to be convinced that you are correct. Please keep this inflammatory (it's inflammatory because you know that will get a response from SOMEBODY every time you state it) comment to yourself, whether you truly believe it or not. Nobody who, Aggie? The half dozen people on this BBS who still delude themselves into believing PEDs create HR hitters? Really? Tell you what: Don't inflame me and I won't fire up on any of you. Simple? And please stop insulting my intelligence with all this nonsense. Now DROP it already. Geez. I didn't bring it up, OK? Schwartz did. Jump his ass.

This was before your time but we once had a dedicated steroid thread for Bonds. Mod Larry Kart wasted too much of time trimming out the obscenities and such as it reflected poorly on the band that this site is named for. I believe it was eventually locked. Anyway, nothing will convince Goodspeak that Bonds was a user, that 'roids cause a ball to travel farther, and so on. Yeah, I know. So while you didn't get to "enjoy" this discussion maybe it'd be better not to go back into the past of PED use in baseball, as you'd have better luck changing the "mind" of the wall across from you than that of Goodspeak. My edit: Original message cahnged for the good of the order. I was here for that....check my join date.OK. Here's the deal: I couldn't care less if Bonds was a PEDs user. He is the HR King because he could hit the ball. PEDs had nothing to do with it. Period. End of conversation. Why, I couldn't hazard a guess. Where, indeed, is the Moderator, Mike? Now you and Mike need to lay off. Today...as in immediately. I don't do this shit to either of you.

First, Cabrera performed over his head in KC before he came to the Giants. This would clearly indicate the PEDs didn't start with the Giants. Second, the Giants' success is largely based upon the pitching and defensive efforts of the team, not one guy's bat. Third, others have been hitting as well....Cabrera is on a team, not playing by himself. Lastly, Bonds was never convicted of anything beyond a ticky-tack obstruction charge. Whether or not he used PEDs has nothing at all to do with making a player a HR hitter. Those are the facts, not a defense of anything or anyone. Deal with it. It is over and done. Nearly a decade ago. Move on. I simply do not care anymore. Only a fool would keep bringing it up, uh...Mike. Taking 20 games from a team is just dumb. My advice? Put down the hater-aid, stay away from the statistics, sports gossip columns and TV talking heads. Watch the game once. Learn what the game is really about. Then leave me out of it.

The first time...? Sure. Like you've been setting the world on fire. Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson was a punk then, he's a punk now. I just pointed out the obvious, BW. This isn't rocket science.

Possibly the post-season as well... http://espn.go.com/m...pended-50-games On "bright side" (such as it is...) to this - he's copping to the offense and not offering excuses or looking for obfuscations: "Forced" or not, there's always those who will look to play games and buy time. Not this guy (and in this case, his union), and for that, hey, good on him. Figures. Giants just can't catch a break. "The Giants have a knack for attracting players who are: (1) prone to cheat, and (2) ignorant and/or arrogant enough to get caught. Cabrera is the third Giant to receive a 50- or 100-game suspension under baseball's new testing procedures, the most of any team. Guillermo Mota (100 games, earlier this year) and catcher Eliezer Alfonzo (50 in 2008) are the others...." http://espn.go.com/m...sting-peds-work There's also an article about it in today's Times, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/17/sports/baseball/melky-cabrera-suspension-again-tarnishes-giants-reputation.html?_r=1&ref=sports Yeah, but here's the deal: The PEDs didn't begin with the Giants for Mota, Alfonzo or Cabrera. The Giants just happened to be the team they were on when they got caught. Look at Cabrera's numbers in KC; a big spike from Atlanta. If the argument is he began doing PEDs in SF explain to me the jump in his numbers in KC. Anybody attempting to make some sort of specious connection between PEDs and the Giants organization needs to consider deep therapy. That Bonds bullshit in the NYT and ESPN sources is a decade old now...get over it.

He's a punk. A Terrell Owens lite. Too many guys like this in the NFL makes it more difficult to watch. Incorrect on all counts. Not only is #85 not a "punk" (he's totally harmless and has never been in trouble with the law), he's not even like Terrell Owens (whose egotism routinely bleeds over into his on-field play). Ochocinco makes watching the NFL FUN instead of some boring utopia where players aren't allowed to entertain the public in any ways other than those Roger Goodell likes. The name change only magnified his "punk" status. Arrested for domestic violence then dumped by the Fish: Arrested developement

Well, it won't be the Giants. I predict a losing streak as long as my arm coupled with a long Fall [pun intended]. Here's hoping I'm wrong.

Possibly the post-season as well... http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8271981/melky-cabrera-san-francisco-giants-suspended-50-games On "bright side" (such as it is...) to this - he's copping to the offense and not offering excuses or looking for obfuscations: "Forced" or not, there's always those who will look to play games and buy time. Not this guy (and in this case, his union), and for that, hey, good on him. Figures. Giants just can't catch a break.

Is this shut-down written in stone? What happens if Strasburg says he's good to go for the playoffs? I mean, what guy wouldn't want the opportunity to pitch in the WS?

Hottest team in the NL right now, IMHO.

That was awesome, FassTrack In my experience [having been raised in a Jewish/Catholic neighborhood around the corner from the local synagogue], this is spot on.

Hunter Pence: A diving catch in the 4th and a three-run jack in the 8th to win it. Yeah. I think he's a keeper.

That is our low. 109 today and humiid. Ack.

I should point out that your 'when he was in his prime' post preceded Pete's inquiring as to when had this Russell fellow actually been funny - i.e. my original quibble still stands.Your initial post was ambiguous, and furthermore did not provide a date, so it was sadly lacking even in as regards that aspect of the case. Bearing this in mind, kindly strive for greater clarity and lucidity in your subsequent posts as I find it both distasteful and tedious having to fritter away several minutes addressing issues such as this. Now, to recap matters as they stand - in post *128 Pete states that he's never liked Russel's comedy. You then made the argument that in his prime he was much funnier. At a much later point I then pointed out the problem inherent in your post. Now, all you have to do at this point is reply - 'yes, you are quite right.' Instead you try to absolve yourself, by anachronistic representation of the sequence of events, and hope thereby to get away with what is - on the grand scale of things - really quite a minor transgression on your part, and not one which you should feel embarassed about acknowledging. Your failure in this regard is something I find slightly troublesome. I shall be following your 'contributions' with a keen eye henceforth sir. If you are wise you will take heed of this - entirely warranted - scrutiny, as being of potential great benefit to both yourself, and your fellow members of this fine site. Thanks, Mom. Much ado about nothing. Nah. Toastmasters International.

It's clearly time to run a few frigates into Brest or Toulon and remind them of their manners. Or maybe a nice, long rugby scrum with the editors of L'Equipe vs The England National rugby team.

Go Tribe! Man, I'm dyin' here, SS1....you are one funny guy I just hope I can laugh like you do when my guys hit the skids.

I think L'Equipe should immediately launch into a steroids smear campaign against British Velodrome winner Bradley Wiggins. French angry over dirty tricks.

No doubt. But Pete's question went to when he was funny not if.

Yer killin' me, SS1

Is there any connection between Mark Russell and Mel Brooks, or is this a case of [insert any name here]? Not speaking for Goodspeak, but I assume he meant that while they both have fans, Russell and Brooks were as far apart as two comics could be. Exactly, Larry. It was in reference to what one likes vs what another person may like, not intended at all to be a side-by-side comparison. Pete did an edit which left off that aspect of my post. Here was the original exchange: I haven't seen him in about 20 years. So when was he funny, in the '60s? Mid-late 80s, IMHO, but I see you're not a fan regardless. I imagine there are some folks who don't much care for Mel Brooks' brand of humor either. C'est la vie.

I haven't seen him in about 20 years. So when was he funny, in the '60s? Mid-late 80s, IMHO, but I see you're not a fan regardless. I imagine there are some folks who don't much care for Mel Brooks' brand of humor either. C'est la vie. I haven't seen him in about 20 years. So when was he funny, in the '60s? About the same time that Rich Little's impressions were -- i.e. maybe never, but the earlier the better. Rich Little was in his prime when Nixon was in office, IMHO.

And who should sing The Vatican Rag, a Catholic? I love Lehrer, but I really hate that annoying "political satirist" Mark Russell, the joker with the bowtie who seems to have taken the musical trappings of Lehrer and applied them to sophomoric nonpartisan drivel. In his prime, Mark Russell was much funnier than he is today.