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Cramer was much more interesting before he bacame that charicature of himself on "Mad Money". He actually had some worthwhile things to say. He even appeared on such shows as Charlie Rose.

More ... Grammy-winning jazz producer Joel Dorn dies at 65 31 minutes ago Veteran record producer Joel Dorn, who worked with such artists as Roberta Flack, Max Roach and the Neville Brothers, died of a heart attack on Monday in New York. He was 65. Dorn, a one-time disc-jockey at a Philadelphia jazz radio station, was perhaps best known for his work with Atlantic Records' prestigious jazz stable between 1967 and 1974. Working alongside the label's jazz chief, Nesuhi Ertegun, he brought a pop sensibility to works by musicians such as Roach, Herbie Mann, Les McCann and Eddie Harris, Mose Allison and Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Dorn once said his two biggest influences were songwriting duo Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, and producer Phil Spector. "To this day before I go in and make a record, I'll throw on 'Be My Baby' or a Coasters record," he said. In the pop field, he helped set Bette Midler and Flack on the course to stardom, producing their debut albums. He and Flack won consecutive record of the year Grammys, for "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" (1972) and "Killing Me Softly With His Song" (1973). He also ventured into rock with the Allman Brothers Band's second release, 1970's "Idlewild South," and Don McLean's 1974 album, "Homeless Brother." (McLean was the inspiration for the songwriters of "Killing Me Softly...") Dorn "bridged the worlds of jazz and pop with enormous skill and grace, never compromising the integrity of his artists and their music," said Edgar Bronfman, Jr., the chairman and chief executive of Atlantic's Warner Music Group Inc parent. Dorn left Atlantic in 1974, and worked for other labels' acts, such as Leon Redbone, Lou Rawls and the Neville Brothers. His collaboration with the latter spawned their 1981 breakthrough "Fiyo on the Bayou." In his later years, he formed his own labels, and oversaw reissues of classic jazz albums for Columbia Records, Rhino Records and GRP Records. At the time of his death, he was a partner in the roots label Hyena Records, and was working on a five-disc tribute to his mentor, "Homage A Nesuhi." He is survived by three sons. (Reporting by Dean Goodman; editing by Eric Walsh) Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Copyright © 2007 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.

Received this forwarded email from a friend of mine today. Hello - It's with great sadness to report the death of Joel Dorn. Joel was one of the great producers at Atlantic Records in many of it's great years and won 4 Grammies while he was there including Roberta Flack's "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and " Killing Me Softly With Your Song' plus a Keith jarrett/Gary Burton collaboration. He worked with Rashaan Roland Kirk, Les McCann, Eddie Harris, Jimmy Scott, Neville Brothers, Leon Redbone and Asleep at the Wheel (another grammy won on that) just to name a few. He owned 32 jazz at one time and was helming Label M and Hyena. I had the pleasure of getting to talk to him multiple times and just soaked up the stories of his life. He was a good guy and still had the passion to stay in the business he loved because of the music...the music drove him to do what he did. A tip of the hat....rip

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Streetnoise is definitely an interesting album, especially for its time. Quite a range from "Light My Fire" to "All Blues". I need to track down a CD of that one of these days. I like Encore a lot, too.

Yeah.......crazy. I got one from Conn - from last week!

Good clip. Probably the centerpiece of some upcoming DVD.

A quote from nme.com: "The crowd is going wild inside the O2. People are hugging strangers, some are crying, some are punching the air with joy. This must be the rock n roll equivalent of winning the world cup." What's not to know??

But you have Milton Bradley now!

GOOD thinking!

Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah, Free. Too busy multi-tasking between Live Chat and talking on the phone with his lady friend.

Geeeeeez. Wait until the last minute, Agg.

Lauren Sevian Yeah - that's her. Thanks!

If you've never seen them, it's definitely an entertaining show. I suspect that it's not the original performers at this point, but it probably doesn't matter. Check it out! ... and bring your raincoat.

A few years ago I saw a female bari player with the Mingus Big Band in NYC. I don't remember her name, but she was pretty good. Featured in "Moanin' Mambo", of course.

Basically, it was decided that you would foot the bill for this board completely. Thanks bud! Excellent!

I've been out of town all week and have only been able to check in here briefly a few times. Can someone summarize where we're at with the board? Is it going away for sure? Are we sending $$ to keep it going? Are there going to be volunteer moderators (Conn, for example? He's got nothing else to do these days ) I don't feel like pouring through over a dozen pages right now.

Hey, Conn........there is something called "Chats" in Google if you have a GMail account. We should look into how that works. Sure Agg! I don't understand this kind of crap, so I'll have to wait for others to translate it all to me. Conn.......call me "Agg" if you wish, but you're really being a DICK! FWIW, I reposted his thought in the other shutting down thread, as well. Maybe we'll get some feedback.

Well.........yeah! Conn speaks the truth. I'll miss this space - it always seemed like a good combination of free speech without heavyhanded moderation. Must be a LOT of hard work keeping it going - both hardware-wise and software-wise. As far as live chats, Google has some sort of "Chats" module as part of their GMail service. I haven't tried it out, but it might be worth looking into. For that matter, we could probably start a "Google Group" that could function as a message board without the hardware/software headaches of something like this. I sent my email to Chris, BTW.

Hey, Conn........there is something called "Chats" in Google if you have a GMail account. We should look into how that works.

Of course, it's always good to be skeptical - especially from the corporate PR machine. My basic point is, that everything I've heard about hybrids is better than your basic, gas-guzzling internal combustion engine. At least it's a movement in the right direction. It's not a perfect technology for sure. If anything, it's a transitional technology that we'll have to live with until the major auto makers come up with something TOTALLY different that does away with the dependency on fossil fuels. I'm just glad to see SOMEthing new come along that's being accepted by the car-buying public.

Chuck, here's what hybridcars.com has to say about the battery issue. http://www.hybridcars.com/battery-toxicity.html Not all that different from what the nuke industry sold us in the '50s. If you've got other information, let's hear it. As for this - "Toyota and Honda place decals with a toll-free number on their hybrid battery packs. Toyota offers a $200 bounty to ensure that every battery comes back to the company." - is it not true?

Chuck, here's what hybridcars.com has to say about the battery issue. http://www.hybridcars.com/battery-toxicity.html Battery Toxicity Given current trends, there will be more than one million hybrid gas-electric vehicles on American roads by late 2007 or early 2008. Many will celebrate reaching the milestone of one million hybrids zipping around on power from their rechargeable batteries—and burning a lot less petroleum. But some environmentally motivated car buyers are concerned about trading one problem for another. They worry that a hybrid utopia might turn into a toxic nightmare when the nickel metal hydride batteries in today's hybrids end up in landfills. After all, aren't all car batteries —conventional lead acid and hybrid batteries alike—filled with the same nasty corrosive carcinogenic ooze? According to environmental researchers, that's not the case. Jim Kliesch, author of the "Green Book: The Environmental Guide to Cars and Trucks" told HybridCars.com, "There are many types of batteries. Some are far more toxic than others. While batteries like lead acid or nickel cadmium are incredibly bad for the environment, the toxicity levels and environmental impact of nickel metal hydride batteries—the type currently used in hybrids—are much lower." Get the Lead Out There's little argument that lead is extremely toxic. Scientific studies show that long-term exposure to even tiny amounts of lead can cause brain and kidney damage, hearing impairment, and learning problems in children. The auto industry uses over one million metric tons of lead every year, with 90% going to conventional lead-acid vehicle batteries. According to a 2003 report entitled, "Getting the Lead Out," by Environmental Defense and the Ecology Center of Ann Arbor, Mich., an estimated 2.6 million metric tons of lead can be found in the batteries of vehicles on the road today. While lead recycling is a mature industry, it's impossible to rescue every car battery from the dump. More than 40,000 metric tons of lead are lost to landfills every year. According to the federal Toxic Release Inventory, another 70,000 metric tons are released in the lead mining and manufacturing process. Can We Talk? "Lead is so cheap. It's difficult to get people to seriously discuss replacing lead batteries in a conventional vehicle" said Karen Thomas, state policy manager at Environmental Defense, in an interview with HybridCars.com. Ironically, the emergence of hybrid cars, the necessary advancement of alternative batteries to satisfy the hybrid demands, and worries about the toxicity of hybrid batteries, have re-opened the environmental debate about all car battery technology. "It's providing an opportunity for us to talk about it," said Thomas. Hybrid gas-electric vehicles, like the Toyota Prius, are the most visible examples of how cars are becoming more electrical and less mechanical. Vehicles with conventional drivetrains are increasingly using electronic technology, such as drive-by-wire and brake-by-wire. Cars are adding more and more onboard accessories and entertainment. Thomas said, "Lead is so heavy. You can't just add more or larger lead-acid batteries to accommodate the increased electrical demands. Some say lead is at its limit." Lead, Nickel, Lithium—In That Order The need for more robust battery technologies to power vehicles and their accessories prompted Environmental Defense to conduct a three-month research effort in 2005 to examine environmental impacts related to the extraction, manufacture, use, and disposal of nickel metal hydride batteries, as well as lithium ion—which many consider to be the battery of choice in the next five years. Environmental Defense then compared those impacts to lead acid. "Our initial conclusion is that lead is the worst, nickel is next, and lithium is the least harmful," said Thomas. This will greatly depend on what materials are combined with lithium, and how toxic those materials are. Using cobalt, for example, in lithium ion batteries would be problematic. It will also depend on the emerging recycling technologies. While not nearly as dangerous as lead, nickel is not without some environmental risks, and is considered a probable carcinogen. There are also concerns about the environmental impacts of nickel mining, and apparent challenges with fully recycling the nickel used in hybrid batteries. Hybrids are still sold an relatively low numbers. As a result, large-scale environmental threats from hybrid batteries are not immediate. Hybrids were introduced in the United States in 2000. Hybrid batteries are under warranty for eight to 10 years, depending on the manufacturer and your location, most likely won't fail for several years beyond the warranty. In the first few years, hybrids sold in low numbers—growing from less than 10,000 in 2000, to 35,000 in 2002. By all calculations, the challenge of recycling hybrid batteries is at least five years away. Greener Pastures for Car Batteries The carmakers are waiting in the wings. Toyota and Honda place decals with a toll-free number on their hybrid battery packs. Toyota offers a $200 bounty to ensure that every battery comes back to the company. In a press release, Toyota states, "Every part of the battery, from the precious metals to the plastic, plates, steel case and the wiring, is recycled." Honda collects the battery and transfers it to a preferred recycler to follow their prescribed process: disassembling and sorting the materials; shredding the plastic material; recovering and processing the metal; and neutralizing the alkaline material before sending it to a landfill. Honda, Toyota and the entire auto industry are pumping millions of dollars into research regarding lithium ion batteries for tomorrow's cars. Their primary motivation is to reduce the cost and increase the potency of hybrid batteries. Fortunately, supplanting lead and nickel batteries with rechargeable lithium batteries is also promising from an environmental perspective. Instead of clogging landfills with more toxic chemicals, hybrids—especially future hybrids powered by lithium ion batteries—may represent greener pastures for car batteries.

I'm through the first 3 (of 4) disks of "Love Is the Song We Sing - SF Nuggets". Highly recommended for a serious dose of flash-back-iness into the 60's in the Bay Area. Filled with both well known groups and very obscure suburban bands. Extensively documented and presented in book format with the CDs inserted in a cardboard cutout arrangement inside the back cover.