Chuck Nessa Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Lee Konitz - Motion - (Verve, MGM but no deep groove) Never was a deep groove. This 'deep groove' shit is stupid. How many people understand what it means, what makes "deep grooves' and how this relates to "originals"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Isn't it chewed in by little baby deep-grooving bunnies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Isn't it chewed in by little baby deep-grooving bunnies? Close but no cigar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Last night, it was Chicago Clarence Wheeler & the Enforcers - Doin' what we wanna - Atlantic orig Clarence Wheeler - The new Chicago blues - Atlantic orig Clarence Wheeler & the Enforcers - Burn for Bern - Straight Ahead Chuck, what do you know about the Straight Ahead label? This was a Clarence Wheeler production in 1980, and looks like a DIY job, but with a number like 41197, that isn't quite convincing. Full of Chicago good guys like John Wright, Kenny Prince, Bob Shy, and George Freeman. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Walter Davis 'Abide With Me' (Denon) with Charles Sullivan, Buster Williams, Tony Williams, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Cal Tjader - Vibist Savoy 45 rpm EP XP-8117 with Richard Wyands, Al McKibbon, and Roy Haynes The cover is mint, the record is not, but when played wet most surface noise disappears. This EP sounds a lot more dynamic than the later Savoy LP reissues from the 1980's ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 (edited) Looks interesting. What is it? Best described as a rather easy listening latin album with bongos featured - Willie Rodriguez and Don Lamond handle them nicely. It's not too much a showoff, nice variations, sound is excellent, nice guitar from Tony Mottola, flutes and reeds from Stan Webb. It is intended as a stereo test record - extreme sounds left and right, if your tone arm doesn't track correctly, you will hear all kinds of unpleasant things. Mine stood the test, but I noticed the channels of my turntable connection were reversed ..... Found it in a local second hand shop last week, paid € 22 for it. The sound is worth it, the rareness too, the music is worth only € 10 ..... Edited August 22, 2007 by mikeweil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Cal Tjader - Vibist Savoy 45 rpm EP XP-8117 with Richard Wyands, Al McKibbon, and Roy Haynes The cover is mint, the record is not, but when played wet most surface noise disappears. This EP sounds a lot more dynamic than the later Savoy LP reissues from the 1980's ... "When played wet"? How can you play a wet record? MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbs-tom Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 orig 47west dg both sides in nm next: orig impulse stereo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 New Fantasy - Lalo Schifrin - Verve mono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Never was a deep groove. This 'deep groove' shit is stupid. How many people understand what it means, what makes "deep grooves' and how this relates to "originals"? I plead ignorance. I never knew what a "deep groove" pressing was, and was afraid to ask. What's the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Cal Tjader - Vibist Savoy 45 rpm EP XP-8117 with Richard Wyands, Al McKibbon, and Roy Haynes The cover is mint, the record is not, but when played wet most surface noise disappears. This EP sounds a lot more dynamic than the later Savoy LP reissues from the 1980's ... "When played wet"? How can you play a wet record? MG Some people swear by it. Use a brush to cover both sides with non-ionized water and play it through. Supposedly it eliminates a lot of noise and decontaminates the surface as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 (edited) Never was a deep groove. This 'deep groove' shit is stupid. How many people understand what it means, what makes "deep grooves' and how this relates to "originals"? I plead ignorance. I never knew what a "deep groove" pressing was, and was afraid to ask. What's the deal? It's a circular groove within the area of the label on some records. It is an impression made upon stamping the LP, but I'm not sure what its particular use was - perhaps to ensure the disc would be easily removed from the stamper? Anyway, I've seen re-presses of records that include the DG, whereas originals did not, so it's a toss-up w/r/t "originality." Blue Note reused west 63rd stampers well after they were bought by Liberty, so it's pretty hard to date some BNs. Edited August 22, 2007 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Cal Tjader - Vibist Savoy 45 rpm EP XP-8117 with Richard Wyands, Al McKibbon, and Roy Haynes The cover is mint, the record is not, but when played wet most surface noise disappears. This EP sounds a lot more dynamic than the later Savoy LP reissues from the 1980's ... "When played wet"? How can you play a wet record? MG Some people swear by it. Use a brush to cover both sides with non-ionized water and play it through. Supposedly it eliminates a lot of noise and decontaminates the surface as well. YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!! MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Sonny Stitt & Charles Kynard - My mother's eyes - PJ King Japan MONO MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Cal Tjader - Vibist Savoy 45 rpm EP XP-8117 with Richard Wyands, Al McKibbon, and Roy Haynes The cover is mint, the record is not, but when played wet most surface noise disappears. This EP sounds a lot more dynamic than the later Savoy LP reissues from the 1980's ... "When played wet"? How can you play a wet record? MG Some people swear by it. Use a brush to cover both sides with non-ionized water and play it through. Supposedly it eliminates a lot of noise and decontaminates the surface as well. YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!! MG I am serious. Thank goodness you didn't call me Shirley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Cal Tjader - Vibist Savoy 45 rpm EP XP-8117 with Richard Wyands, Al McKibbon, and Roy Haynes The cover is mint, the record is not, but when played wet most surface noise disappears. This EP sounds a lot more dynamic than the later Savoy LP reissues from the 1980's ... "When played wet"? How can you play a wet record? MG Some people swear by it. Use a brush to cover both sides with non-ionized water and play it through. Supposedly it eliminates a lot of noise and decontaminates the surface as well. YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!! MG I am serious. Thank goodness you didn't call me Shirley. OK, you're serious. This sounds insane to me. So you put non-ionised water (whatever that is - tap water?) on both sides of an LP, plonk it down on the felt mat on your turntable and play it. Just like that? And the water doesn't run off into the mat and then soak through into the player mechanism? Nor does it slop over onto the label? And then you have to dry it off after you've played it before you can put it away - yes? You must have to use a special towel for that. I hope you know where your towel is Oh yes, it's not you, it's someone else. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Ended the evening with Gene Ammons - Night lights - Prestige orig Fats Theus - Black out - CTI orig (green label - slightly darker green than Prestige ) MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Non-ionized water = distilled water. As I understand it, the excess is wiped off and the remainder would catch in the grooves, thus negating major runoff issues. I've never tried it myself, nor do I plan to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Joe Harriott - Swings High - (Cadillac reissue) w/ Pat Smythe, Coleridge Goode, Phil Seamen and the trumpeter Stu Hamer. This is an amazing record which has tremendous 'atmosphere' and is full of character thanks to the el-cheapo cheapo East London recording arranged by Doug Dobell which makes it sound like a mid-40s Savoy bop session. Very metallic, with loads of roll-off at the extremes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 John Lewis 'The Wonderful World Of Jazz' (Atlantic blue/green stereo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Al Cohn 'The Natural Seven' (RCA Victor original) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Martial Solal 'Himself' (PDU) Solo Solal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Joe Harriott - Swings High - (Cadillac reissue) w/ Pat Smythe, Coleridge Goode, Phil Seamen and the trumpeter Stu Hamer. This is an amazing record which has tremendous 'atmosphere' and is full of character thanks to the el-cheapo cheapo East London recording arranged by Doug Dobell which makes it sound like a mid-40s Savoy bop session. Very metallic, with loads of roll-off at the extremes. Indeed - the 1967 recording date gave me a double-take! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 (edited) [indeed - the 1967 recording date gave me a double-take! And only a couple of hundred of the 1967 Melodisc originals were produced, I've been informed. I suspect that the majority of those must have been sold through Doug Dobell's shop. Edited August 23, 2007 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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