Could this be the fate of the new BNBB?

[slsmcgrew]

I have been following this topic and just started following the "Is it over?, We’ll see" as well.

As a Christian I would like to apologize for the "Christian" example that Musicboy deposited into the world. This is not how Christians should maneuver according to the tenets of the Bible. I even censored a post my husband, Mr. Kartoffel-hadi-blues, wanted to include. It would have been really funny (at least it was to us) but I started thinking about the reprisal that Musicboy might unleash upon us personally.

I found as I read more and more I was getting angry. (Anger is not Un-Christian—how you act upon the anger is what determines Christian or non-Christian behavior). I then realized that the anger I was experiencing was beginning to be the same type of ferocity I feel when someone has hurt one of my kids. My kids are adults but they are and will always be “MY KIDS”. I was turning into a Mother Bear. (Don’t get in-between a mother bear and her kids). I decided to stop reading and take a break to calm down and collect my thoughts.

Over time, the members of this board have become an out of the ordinary family. We have differences of opinions. The political forum can get heated and some of us will never agree with others. We certainly don’t all like the same artists and types of music. We like to welcome new members. The more knowledge imparted on the board the more we learn. We share the joys and sorrows of our lives. I’m always touched to see the outpouring of concern when something heartrending is shared.

Even with all our differences, WE ARE FAMILY and we will defend our own when necessary. I kept thinking about some of the words to the song of the same title.

Ev'ryone can see we're together

As we walk on by

(FLY!) and we fly just like birds of a feather

I won't tell no lie

(ALL!) all of the people around us they say

Can they be that close

Just let me state for the record

We're giving love in a family dose

I apologize for going on for so long.

P.S. I’m thinking of changing my member name to Mother

[Guest Mnytime]

slsmcgrew

You better watch out MusicBoy might report you to the DOJ for civil rights abuse for apologizing for his behavior.

“Anger is not Un-Christian—how you act upon the anger is what determines Christian or non-Christian behavior).”

I am not sure I understand this. Is there a way to respond to anger that is purely Christian that others would not respond in the same manner who are not Christian?

[AfricaBrass]

Mnytime,

There is a time when it's okay to be angry as a Christian. It's usually referred to as righteous anger. A good example of righteous anger is when Jesus went after the moneylenders in the temple.

:rsmile:

slsmcgrew,

I dig your post. This is like a family around here.

:rsmile:

Edited May 19, 2003 by AfricaBrass

[Dan Gould]

Chris,

I don't have time to discuss this with you. If you'll notice, I've only been responding to the stuff I need to. In hopes that people will come to their senses before I'm forced to do what I have to. I have no quarrel with the band, other than the fact they seem to think anything is permissible on their message boards, even when it breaks laws. Now people are getting hateful towards Christians here. I have plenty of proof logged, & I've matched up a few IP's & e-mails.. Sooo... we'll let the law figure it out if need be. I don't have all day to discuss it with you. I'll be wasting enough of my valuable time if certain individuals force me to make a legal example out of them. I may not necessarily win, but it won't be fun for them. Again, if it were me, I would have locked this thread & deleted it long ago, considering the potential civil rights violations here, Not up to me. Up to the band now.

IDENTIFY the laws. CITE their precise terminology. Or else shut the fuck up.

LAST TIME I checked this was AMERICA, you Christian FASCIST piece of trash.

And let me say for the record that I damn well hope that is an example of the type of statement that's going to make you cry cry cry to the DOJ because after the legalities are dismissed with prejudice I guaran-damn-tee I'll come after your ass for malicous prosecution and you will be working a whole lot of music/IT gigs to pay off the judgement against you.

Now go crawl back to your Christian FASCIST hellhole.

[ghost of miles]

“Anger is not Un-Christian—how you act upon the anger is what determines Christian or non-Christian behavior).”

I am not sure I understand this. Is there a way to respond to anger that is purely Christian that others would not respond in the same manner who are not Christian?

Mnytime, my take on this (in addition to AfricaBrass's "righteous anger" allusion) is that it's not un-Christian to be human. Anybody attempting to pursue a spiritual path that may be framed by a certain ideology--Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, etc.--is still going to experience a wide variety of emotions in different circumstances that may seem at odds with tenets of the religion in which they believe. I think it's especially maddening when you see somebody attempting to act like a bully while they wrap themselves in the cloak of a particular faith to which you profess. It's also easy, I think, to get too self-righteous in defense; at least, that's something that I have to guard against. (I should add that my own faith falls somewhere roughly between the writings of Thomas Merton and the Church of John Coltrane. )

This guy, though--what a Pharisee!

[Guest Mnytime]

Mnytime,

There is a time when it's okay to be angry as a Christian. It's usually referred to as righteous anger. A good example of righteous anger is when Jesus went after the moneylenders in the temple.

:rsmile:

slsmcgrew,

I dig your post. This is like a family around here.

:rsmile:

My question was meant for this part of her post

"how you act upon the anger is what determines Christian or non-Christian behavior).” "

Is there a purely Christian reaction to anger that others would not have that are not Christian? Even having righteous anger is not something you can call purely Christian.

[Guest Chaney]

I wondered about that also Mny.

Just accepting Mrs. Hadi's statement in its most literal sense, it seems as if she's saying that Christians are the only persons able to behave well when challenged by malicious / "Unchristian" behavior.

It's us -- it's them.

I certainly don't believe that Mrs. Hadi meant it in as black and white a fashion but I can certainly see why this might lead to a misunderstanding.

Not wanting to put words into your mouth... Mother.

[Rooster_Ties]

By the way, here are the self-reported demographics of the Norah Jones board, by age and gender...

http://www.norahjones.info/poll.php?cod=9

[Ed S]

I always wondered if it was foolish of me to post under my real name on these boards. For the first time, I actually feel uncomfortable as some wacko knows my name and he seems a little unstable.

[ghost of miles]

By the way, here are the self-reported demographics of the Norah Jones board, by age and gender...

http://www.norahjones.info/poll.php?cod=9

They have ten times as many posters as Organissimo, but half as many total posts.

[catesta]

I always wondered if it was foolish of me to post under my real name on these boards. For the first time, I actually feel uncomfortable as some wacko knows my name and he seems a little unstable.

I got your back... B)

[Ed S]

I don't think that Mrs. Hadi should be taken so literally.

If I could take a stab at it, I read it not as either you're Christian or not but rather - within the context of Christianity, or Judaism or Islam or whatever, your response to a situation that has made you angry should be a reflection of the faith that you profess to follow. We are human. We experience anger. How we respond and react to that emotion should be consistent with and be reflective our respective belief system.

This dude music boy walked in here, acknowledged his Christianity and proceeded to do some of the most un-Christianlike acts I've seen. Then he had the nerve to hide behind his Christianity and cry persecution.

My 2 cents based on my affiliation with....... well let's just say I'm a free agent. Does Dexter Gordon have a church?

[Ed S]

..... Does Dexter Gordon have a church?

If not maybe I'll go with that John Coltrane thing

[chris olivarez]

Dan I was hoping he would answer yes to my question I thought that could start another round of fun-oh well!!!

BTW like the avatar.

[slsmcgrew]

I wondered about that also Mny.

Just accepting Mrs. Hadi's statement in its most literal sense, it seems as if she's saying that Christians are the only persons able to behave well when challenged by malicious / "Unchristian" behavior.

It's us -- it's them.

I certainly don't believe that Mrs. Hadi meant it in as black and white a fashion but I can certainly see why this might lead to a misunderstanding.

Not wanting to put words into your mouth... Mother.

I am very sorry; I didn’t mean it to sound as if Christians are the only people that are able to behave well when challenged. They are not by a long shot. Most people I know Christian and Non-Christian alike behave in what might be considered a “Christian” manner. In my mind it has never been “us or them”. In fact a lot of Christians I know seem to be very hypocritical. As a Christian, I feel I am bound by my beliefs to be an example of those beliefs. If I don’t follow the dictates of my religion than I have no right to cast the first stone. Actually, I don’t feel I should cast any stones. This doesn’t mean that I can’t or won’t disagree with what someone may say or do. It doesn’t mean that I don’t fly off the handle some time and go to far. I even use foul language from time to time. When I do fly off the handle it is then my responsibility to apologize for that behavior. Most people no matter what their beliefs would do the same thing.

My beliefs are very deep and usually very private and sometimes I have a difficult time articulating how I feel. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I have to stop here and get ready for work.

I’ll be back

[chris olivarez]

Ok mom.

[ghost of miles]

And Musicboy is a mother of another sort.

[chris olivarez]

And Musicboy is a mother of another sort.

naughty,naughty.

[J Larsen]

And I thought the OTHER thread was some wierd shit...

[Use3D]

Don't let this clown scare you guys, he can't do shit to us. Dan Gould, you rock! Bring hellfire down baby!!!

[Ed S]

Back to the original topic, here's some "NEWS" from the Blue Note site

A NOTE FROM NORAH

Check out a posting direct from Norah Jones in the Forums Section of the fan site Unofficially Norah Jones. This fan site provides news, updates, lots of fun stuff and Norah checks in often.

Don't miss Norah Jones ON TOUR this Summer.

Links are provided.

So this is news on the Blue Note site. Yikes.

They were right about one thing - the site providing "lots of fun stuff"

[connoisseur series500]

The stuff I miss while at work!!

Although basically an atheist, I am not fully satisfied with this definition of my "faith." I have a very personal form of religion. I respect and admire many Christians, especially the type of Christians that people like AfricaBrass represent.

I don't know what Musicboy is, but he is definitely an insecure and immature individual.

All he's doing is making us STRONGER!

Musicboy: I accuse you of seeking to take away some of our cherished freedoms, like freedom of speech. You act in a most Unchristian manner towards your fellow man. You cannot hurt all of us, so you endeavor to hurt the more vulnerable parties within our group: those who play and record music. This is repulsive, and cowardly. Your actions are those of a bully and fascist.

[Sica]

Ok,

Well since there ia at least one anti-Christian over here. I'd like to address him first & simply. (7/4) Yes, there are in fact a few Christian on the Mod team, I'm one of them. & yes we do see things different than many people, because we don't believe in supporting anarchist attitudes. The reason bulletin boards get shut down, is real simple. Nobody wants to deal with inconsiderate trouble makers, who set them up for liabilty on their message boards. Suggestion: Internet Child Protection act.. Go look that up. It's amazing how fast one's view on free speech/freedom gets twisted when it comes to letting Christians excersize their beliefs. That's cool though man. If you want to be that way, you'll eventually pay the price for being a biggot.

As for the rest of you. I'm not going to worry about it, because what comes around goes around eventually. If you choose to keep dishing it, you will eventually get your due. I work in the music business, & also in IT, so I take names down all the time. Someone made a statement that a user complained to Norah's management about us. That may or may not be true, but if it is, we've heard nothing of it from them, except for praise. I talk to them almost weekly. I don't admin on NJ.info for my own benefit, nor am I elitist enough to think that there won't be any young & immature posts on our message board. It confuses me that any adult would expect to go to a message board & not find any thoughtless banter. That's what young fans do.

Ed Swinnich, I wasn't implying that you were some kind of threat to children, just because you were in the same letter. I just think you have been acting like an ignorant trouble maker. Maybe at some point you can change my view. For now, I took great pleasure in banning all of you who came to cause trouble. If you would like to talk face to face about that at some point, that's cool. I'm not one to hide behind a computer, unlike others I've observed. I'm thinking that on one of the many music related web sites I'm involved in, I may even do a nice article on the front page, about how organissimo.org is a Haven for anti-Christian biggots, & adults who have no regard for internet edict.

Let me tell you all a little story. Once upon a time there was an artist who won 8 Grammy's, which is an industry award (for those who "may" not have done their homework). See, that means that the INDUSTRY likes Norah. So, for those of you who are aspiring to be in the industry, you wouldn't want me pasting all over the internet that you are not only condescending towards Norah & others, but you are viscious about it. See, I have free speech too. I also have access to a whole lot of hits on the internet (over 5,000,000 per year in fact.) I've already started taking quotes down from each of you. My stories will contain nothing but the facts. You wanna make enemies in the music business? That's your call.. All I can tell you is that the choice is in your hands. You are at the proverbial crossroad. I'm a forgiving guy, but not a doormat..

If you'd like to put this behind both sites, come over & show common respect to people. It's not that we don't want you there, it's that you are a guest, & when you go into someone elses site, you follow their rules. If not, then I guess we can't be friends. ~Dan

Ok, this is like a lot of things. It starts out nice and "Christian" and then ends in threats and vague idealogy thrown like reeses candy into icecream. Alright, pal, you messed with my brother and my brother's friends and now Im going to exercise some of that Christian free speech you talked about.

First of all, you've started this addressing "one anti-christian" and ended it saying that this site is a "haven for anti-christian bigots..". You do realize that if you tell this to someone, and yet you profess not to believe it, then you're lying. And you do realize that telling a falsehood about someone else is a big Christian no-no, right?

Second, lets assume you're right. Lets say that this board is full of "anarchist attitudes". You're protecting your children? Let me show you something about what a liar you are.

What is represented by music, in all of music history, is a blatant disregard for censorship of any kind, and a burning passion to scream out what life is with every fiber of your being. Music is about pain, heartache, saying fuck you, and still being able to look at your audience and feel like you've become a testament for what life really is. Without lies to protect the world and without threats that make you fear what you dont agree with or cant understand.

You think you know music, but if you really did you would be out there fucking making it, not blathering about the poor children and the evil they'll see if they actually LISTEN to the records you promote.

You are a big fish in a little pond, and you know your life is a labyrinth of hypocrisy and the vague imprinted idealogy of the majority, which you think gives you the right to judge how a new mind, a child, deserves to be raised and talked to.

"What goes around comes around"? Yeah, I read that too. You know what else I read in that little book you subscribe to so blindly? Before prying at the splinter in your brother's eye, take the plank out of your own.

You think you can tell us how to talk, how to act, how to think? You think you really know whats right and whats wrong for every man woman and child on this planet? YOU?

Who ARE you except a mealy-mouthed stone-throwing narrowminded lying hypocrite?

Go wash your faith in dirty water, and see how clean you really are, before coming back here with your righteous bullshit.

Jessie.

[J Larsen]

One more time, with feeling.

[Rooster_Ties]

You wanna talk about being subversive...

http://www.norahjones.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1141

heh, heh, heh, heh, heh.....