AfricaBrass Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 On my disc 6/track 1 (from Caiman), I'm getting a oscillating/phasing type of sound, but after that it's fine. Jeff, I'm now wondering if this is something in the original source tape that is only apparent when played back on certain equipment. As you and I discussed earlier, these "European" sets were in fact manufactured in the U.S., presumably at the same place and time as the regular Mosaic sets, so there's no reason to believe they should have--as a group--manufacturing defects that the U.S. Mosaics don't have. Maybe it's time for someone to call Mosaic. It's really curious. I don't have the huevos to call Mosaic and ask about the super cheap European set... I'm still happy with the set; I just don't know about copy protection and I was curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 I don't have the huevos to call Mosaic and ask about the super cheap European set... Well, I think Mosaic is still responsible for producing it, even though it's marketed by Universal/Verve. Mosaic's name is all over the CDs and booklet. It's not like Mosaic licensed the master tapes to Universal, who then remastered and did who knows what to them. In fact, it's the opposite--Universal licensed the tapes to Mosaic, who then remastered them and produced the sets, including the ones Universal then distributes. So even though Mosaic didn't retail the "European" sets, it did produce them and may have answers for these types of questions about those sets. But you still don't have the huevos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I don't have the huevos to call Mosaic and ask about the super cheap European set... Well, I think Mosaic is still responsible for producing it, even though it's marketed by Universal/Verve. Mosaic's name is all over the CDs and booklet. It's not like Mosaic licensed the master tapes to Universal, who then remastered and did who knows what to them. In fact, it's the opposite--Universal licensed the tapes to Mosaic, who then remastered them and produced the sets, including the ones Universal then distributes. So even though Mosaic didn't retail the "European" sets, it did produce them and may have answers for these types of questions about those sets. But you still don't have the huevos. I can just see the phone call to Mosaic going well. me: "My Farlow set is messed up" them: "Let us send you a replacement disc" me: "Um... well I bought a European set from Caiman for $50" them: "I guess you should contact Caiman, you cheap @#$%@$%@" I'm not going to do it, you do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I'm not going to do it, you do it... I'm too busy looking at flat wound jazz guitar strings on the internet. B-) Someone told me to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I don't have the huevos to call Mosaic and ask about the super cheap European set... Well, I think Mosaic is still responsible for producing it, even though it's marketed by Universal/Verve. Mosaic's name is all over the CDs and booklet. It's not like Mosaic licensed the master tapes to Universal, who then remastered and did who knows what to them. In fact, it's the opposite--Universal licensed the tapes to Mosaic, who then remastered them and produced the sets, including the ones Universal then distributes. So even though Mosaic didn't retail the "European" sets, it did produce them and may have answers for these types of questions about those sets. But you still don't have the huevos. I can just see the phone call to Mosaic going well. me: "My Farlow set is messed up" them: "Let us send you a replacement disc" me: "Um... well I bought a European set from Caiman for $50" them: "I guess you should contact Caiman, you cheap @#$%@$%@" I'm not going to do it, you do it... LOL... I hope someone on this board has the .... to call... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzydaddy Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 On my disc 6/track 1 (from Caiman), I'm getting a oscillating/phasing type of sound, but after that it's fine. Here's my question. Is this disc copy protected? I have never dealt with copy protection, but I think it is. When I tried to rip it using EAC, it's taking forever to rip. When I try to just play it in my computer, it skips around a bit. When I play it on a regular cd player, it sounds fine (except for that oscillating/phasing sound on track 1 I mentioned). I just burned a backup copy of disc 1 of my "European" Farlow set for playing in my car, etc. It appeared to copy just fine: I'm listening to the burned disc now. I'll report back if I encounter any problems with the other discs as I get to them. I only burn at 8X so it takes me close to 10 minutes per disc. I haven't tried ripping them to MP3 yet though. So far my "European" set looks like, sounds like, and burns like the good ol' USA version. Works for me........... Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 if copy protection is involved, European law requires that it be mentioned. No mention, no protect. I have had no problems playing this disk on either my regular CD player, not my diskman, nor may computer drive. Will be scrolling back for that oscillating/phasing stuff now, don't think there's any of that either on my disk though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I'm listening to disk 6 right now and I've listed to the first track three times. No problems (so far) with my set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I talked to Mosaic but didn't let them know I got it from Caiman -- didn't want to blow a good thing!! They wouldn't break up a set to replace Disc 6 and told me to send the whole thing back to whoever I got it from. Have to admit I felt a little guilty talking to them (I've bought 30+ full sets and all 16 Selects from them) but then I remembered what a great price I got!! I definitely have an oscillating sound at the beggining of track 1 on Disc 6. Hate to have to send the whole thing back and with my luck they won't have any more to replace it!! AGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Dilemma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I talked to Mosaic but didn't let them know I got it from Caiman -- didn't want to blow a good thing!! They wouldn't break up a set to replace Disc 6 and told me to send the whole thing back to whoever I got it from. Have to admit I felt a little guilty talking to them (I've bought 30+ full sets and all 16 Selects from them) but then I remembered what a great price I got!! I definitely have an oscillating sound at the beggining of track 1 on Disc 6. Hate to have to send the whole thing back and with my luck they won't have any more to replace it!! AGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Dilemma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for having the guts to call, John. I think I just got a funky disc then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I'm not going to do it, you do it... I'm too busy looking at flat wound jazz guitar strings on the internet. B-) Someone told me to do that. Right on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Mosaic will probably ban me for life from purchasing anything more from them because I bought a set from an "unknown source "!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know they've tagged my file!!!!!!! ...oh well, I guess I'll save some money...and be depressed for the rest of my life... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Could one of you guys with the possibly defective disc 6 rip a copy (WAV or MP3 file) of the section of track 1 where you hear the problem, and make it available for some of the rest of us to hear and compare to our discs? That could clear up whether this truly is a defect in your disc, and not just something on the source tape. Since many of us received "European" Farlow sets without a problem on Disc 6, it would probably be worth returning your set if it is defective to get another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Mosaic will probably ban me for life from purchasing anything more from them because I bought a set from an "unknown source "!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know they've tagged my file!!!!!!! ...oh well, I guess I'll save some money...and be depressed for the rest of my life... I'm sure if you buy more sets in the future from them, they'll forgive you. Thanks for your courage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Could one of you guys with the possibly defective disc 6 rip a copy (WAV or MP3 file) of the section of track 1 where you hear the problem, and make it available for some of the rest of us to hear and compare to our discs? That could clear up whether this truly is a defect in your disc, and not just something on the source tape. Since many of us received "European" Farlow sets without a problem on Disc 6, it would probably be worth returning your set if it is defective to get another one. I can't even rip my disc 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Mosaic will probably ban me for life from purchasing anything more from them because I bought a set from an "unknown source "!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know they've tagged my file!!!!!!! ...oh well, I guess I'll save some money...and be depressed for the rest of my life... Hey, it's not like these are bootlegs or stolen or anything illegal. They are being widely and openly distributed in the US by some pretty big players (CD Universe, Amazon, Tower, etc.). I'm sure that if Mosaic had a problem with this, they'd have done something by now to shut it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I can't even rip my disc 6. I'm almost tempted to have you call me on the phone and play it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I can't even rip my disc 6. I'm almost tempted to have you call me on the phone and play it for me. I can't do that right now. My wife and I are having a fight... I'm just chillin' on the computer. You'd know you had the error if you heard it. It's very obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 You'd know you had the error if you heard it. It's very obvious. Then I say return the set to Caiman and get another one. It may have been a terrific deal, but it's still 50 bucks and you're entitled to a perfect set. And Caiman will pay the return shipping and send you a brand-new set. Unless it doesn't bother you at all, and/or you have no huevos--oh yeah, I forgot. Sorry about your wife--maybe you should try serenading her with one of your 57 guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfricaBrass Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 You'd know you had the error if you heard it. It's very obvious. Then I say return the set to Caiman and get another one. It may have been a terrific deal, but it's still 50 bucks and you're entitled to a perfect set. And Caiman will pay the return shipping and send you a brand-new set. Unless it doesn't bother you at all, and/or you have no huevos--oh yeah, I forgot. Sorry about your wife--maybe you should try serenading her with one of your 57 guitars. I don't mind sending it back, but I'm concerned I won't end up with a set at all. It's a hard call, it's just one track... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 I've given the first track of disk 6 yet another check and I don't hear any problems. No oscillations other than the brush work from the drummer. Sounds fine. I suspect that this one is also not copy protected, otherwise my CD player would have thrown out an immediate wobbly. Maybe there's some voodoo being applied to these sets from Mosaic HQ?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Maybe there's some voodoo being applied to these sets from Mosaic HQ?.... Acquired through Mosaic's latest licensing agreement: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Maybe there's some voodoo being applied to these sets from Mosaic HQ?.... Acquired through Mosaic's latest licensing agreement: Looks like the voodoo doll 'backfired' though and is now depleting the stock of Mosaic boxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Sorry, I've just played the disc again. My memory is faulty, it is a scratchy noise not a knock as I mentioned earlier. I'm sure this wasn't on the equivalent Verve cd. I was going to contact Verve in the UK but they are hard to find so I gave up. There is no contact address for Verve on the box. The best bet would be for Verve to acknowledge there is a problem and replace the defective discs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron S Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 You might want to try calling The Verve Music Group (distributor of the set) in New York City at 212-331-2000. I've found on a few occasions--although with other record companies--that by calling and being bounced around from person to person to person, I've eventually spoken with someone who can deal with a defective CD issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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