sidewinder Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 You may be interested to know that several Prestiges were issued in (West) Germany in the 60s, by MPS or SABA, I think. They were magnificent pressings, in the Deutsche Grammophon vein; thick vinyl, with plastic-lined sleeves, way better quality than what Bob Weinstock put out. It's been awhile, but I think the cover art was different from that on the U.S. releases. I've got some of these too. One of the Pat Martinos ('Clear Evidence' I think) and a Jaki Byard 'Live At Lennies'. Both on SABA. Great pressing quality, with original US artwork. The German Blue Note Libertys were great too (see previous threads..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 There were Vogue editions of many US albums, too, using different covers. Can't find any on the web, but I do remember a version of Harold Land's "The Fox" that had a darkish green/blue drawing instead of the usual one also used on the OJC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 There were Vogue editions of many US albums, too, using different covers. Can't find any on the web, but I do remember a version of Harold Land's "The Fox" that had a darkish green/blue drawing instead of the usual one also used on the OJC. The "darkish green/blue drawing" was from the original issue on the Hifi label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter A Posted March 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 The "darkish green/blue drawing" was from the original issue on the Hifi label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I like these better than the original Prestiges, which could be pretty artless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I like these better than the original Prestiges, which could be pretty artless. Can't agree with you there . For instance , I think those Don Martin Prestige covers are a gas . Compare this Don Martin Prestige cover with its really unimaginative Esquire counterpart : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 The "darkish green/blue drawing" was from the original issue on the Hifi label. Ah, yes! You're right of course Chuck... had that wrong in memory... will have to check for the ones I meant later (I have some in a crappy book). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 I've yet to see any Esquire cover that surpasses its Prestige counterpart . Another example here . I don't find Esquire's more literal cover , done in a DSM style , to be superior to Esmond Edwards' intriguing photographic original . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 (edited) I'm a fan of that Esquire 'For Lady' cover. It's not 'better' than the original but it holds up very well as cover art I think. The drawing, by the way, was done by John Marshall. I'll bet that the vinyl sounds better on the Esquire though. Edited April 14, 2007 by sidewinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 The Prestige is really cool-looking. Always liked that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Here are a couple more Esquires that IMO , don't measure up : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 These are a little better : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Sorry but IMHO that Soul Junction Esquire cover is way better than the Prestige one (and actually could have appeared on Prestige too with its play on words). Nothing against how Red Garland looked at that time, but snapping persons in street clothing posing somewhere in a park is pretty nondescript too and does NOT relate to the title of the album in any way (not that the image necessarily would have to relate to the album title but generic covers like this were a dime a dozen at that time - or would you want to file this in the "Fashion" section of album cover art books like "Jazzical Moods" too?). As for the other ones, it all is a matter of taste but they do have their charm, and the DSM-inspired drawings aren't that bad either. DSM had no monopoly on this, and if you thought he had then you would have to discard a lot of other artwork on record sleeves and jazz mags right away. As always, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) if they really are copy tapes of the masters sent to europe, than shouldnt there be a bunch of prestige master copies in europe???? cause theyre not vangelder stamped, he didnt mail stampers or metal parts.... the vinyl quality is way better than US, these sound fantastic. got a euro press of CHAMBERS MUSIC that looks like its shellac or styrene, its as fragile as glass. got it for 10 bucks, mint too. ill be dammed if it doesnt sound 100 times better than the transition pressing prob does Edited August 1, 2013 by chewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Fwiw, I've checked a couple of my Esquires. The original PR number appears on the label, on the dead vinyl with RVG too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 3, 2013 Report Share Posted August 3, 2013 is that so! even better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Euro editions of Chambers' Music are Sonet (SWE) later Storyville (DK) Imperial-EMI (NL) Polydor (FR) - under Coltrane's name none of these should be styrene-like, I wouldn't think. It never came out on Transition - it was on Jazz West, later Imperial and Score. Edited August 6, 2013 by clifford_thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 the one i have is on sonnet. yes, jazzwest, not transition. it might not be styrene but it is exteremly fragile! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 How do you mean fragile? I've got some experience with early Sonet pressings and they're very heavy, thick vinyl. The late '60s issues are thinner but, you know, not any less robust than other vinyl of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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