Tom 1960 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) Any thoughts on this release? I realise Dexter recorded only a handful of sessions during the 1950's and while I understand it can't possibly match his later Blue Note material, I'm curious. I'm especially interested since Carl Perkins is on the date, a fav of mine. Can't get enough of that guy! Edited March 28, 2010 by Tom 1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 That's one of the most heroin records I've ever heard. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 That's one of the most heroin records I've ever heard. Seriously. I take this to mean that extreme heroin use is in evidence in the grooves? Does this mean that everyone was wasted? Or is it simply a reference to the prevalence of heroin use among the players? Is the playing sloppy because of heroin use? I'd really like to know what you mean by "most heroin records". I think this is the second best 50s Dexter recording, behind Daddy Plays the Horn with Kenny Drew (granted its a small group of 50s recordings, but those two records are awfully good, imo). If you dig Carl Perkins, its a no-brainer to snap this one up, Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjzee Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Any thoughts on this release? I realise Dexter recorded only a handful of sessions during the 1950's and while I understand it can't possibly match his later Blue Note material, I'm curious. I'm especially interested since Carl Perkins is on the date, a fav of mine. Can't get enough of that guy! It's an OK record. Songs are on the short side. Dex's sound is midway between his '40's sides and his Blue Notes, and the tunes are upbeat. As you say, there's not much mid-50's Dex available, so you might as well complete your collection. Let me put in a good word for the Stan Levey date, "This Time The Drum's On Me" (Bethlehem). Great Dex, and really nice arrangements for a sextet. A lot more polished than the other 2 dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 That's one of the most heroin records I've ever heard. Seriously. I take this to mean that extreme heroin use is in evidence in the grooves? Does this mean that everyone was wasted? Or is it simply a reference to the prevalence of heroin use among the players? Is the playing sloppy because of heroin use? I'd really like to know what you mean by "most heroin records". Not sloppy, just....loaded. The whole thing feels like junkie to me, just the energy level, the playing, everything. There's a "dullness" there, everywhere, that bespeaks of guys not worrying about the high taking precedence over the music. Always a risk with getting high on anything, really, but smack? From what I've seen, you gotta be really focused to ride that high and handle the music equally. It's a really fine line to walk, let me put it that way. Getting high to block out the distractions and getting high just for the sake of the high...you gotta be really careful how you roll on that one, and some days will be better than others, especially as time goes by. Note that "heroin" doesn't necessarily indicate a "bad" record", as there are some really good records that have that same heroin/junkie vibe (Miles' Dig session springs immediately to mind). But this is not on that level, not even remotely, and although this Dexter thing is not a bad record per se, I think it's probably the last, or among the last, "official" Dexter records that anybody "needs" to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Philly Joe seems to epitomize the "junkie groove" for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 In a good way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewHill Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Yeah, I echo the sentiments above, its good but not on par with the BN's. If not for the music, the album cover is badazzz. Worth buying it for the album cover alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 1960 Posted March 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 That's one of the most heroin records I've ever heard. Seriously. I take this to mean that extreme heroin use is in evidence in the grooves? Does this mean that everyone was wasted? Or is it simply a reference to the prevalence of heroin use among the players? Is the playing sloppy because of heroin use? I'd really like to know what you mean by "most heroin records". I think this is the second best 50s Dexter recording, behind Daddy Plays the Horn with Kenny Drew (granted its a small group of 50s recordings, but those two records are awfully good, imo). If you dig Carl Perkins, its a no-brainer to snap this one up, Tom. That's good enough for me, Dan. Like I said, I have no expectations that it even comes close to his 60's Blue Notes of which I own all of them. I'm cool with that. The Stan Levey date I already own and agreed is a good one. At some point I'm gonna get Daddy Plays The Horn also. Thanks for the help guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Friedman Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 While I wouldn't consider this one of Dexter's best recordings, this one has long had a special appeal for me. One reason is the very few sessions by Dexter in that time period. A second reason is Carl Perkins. Perkins unfortunately died much too soon and his recorded output is rather small. I always loved his playing. Finally I sense a 'mellowness" in this session that may be related to what Jim refers to as the Heroin influence. That feeling that comes through here is, for me, a nice one. I like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Time for Peter to experiment with smack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Nah, junkies are always neat until you have to deal with them. Stay as sweet as you are, I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I think this is the second best 50s Dexter recording, behind Daddy Plays the Horn with Kenny Drew (granted its a small group of 50s recordings, but those two records are awfully good, imo). If you dig Carl Perkins, its a no-brainer to snap this one up, Tom. It's an OK record. Songs are on the short side. Dex's sound is midway between his '40's sides and his Blue Notes, and the tunes are upbeat. As you say, there's not much mid-50's Dex available, so you might as well complete your collection. Let me put in a good word for the Stan Levey date, "This Time The Drum's On Me" (Bethlehem). Great Dex, and really nice arrangements for a sextet. A lot more polished than the other 2 dates. Got to agree with both of these. "Hot and Cool" is quite worth getting, particularly for Carl Perkins, and "This Time the Drum's On Me" is VERY worth it. I'm with the school of thought that says since there's so little mid-50's Dexter on record, one might as well get it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Christensen Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Nothing with Dex on records can live up to his live performances, high or not, I have had the pleasure of have listened to him live at least 150 times while he lived here in Copenhagen, we became friends (though not close friends), sometimes he had a bad night when strung out, but usually he "Played his Pants" off. I have the one with him and Carl Perkins, not one of his best, but still ok, but the one with Stan Levey is better. I have a signed photo of him hanging on my wall, looking at it right now. Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 was dexter a big user? if so he certanly over came it pretty well, right? what is this, on dootone? i have never seen this record in the flesh however its name does appear i believe on the back cover dootone notes on another dootone record i have........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Yes - on Dooto/Dootone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epistrophy007 Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Think I gonna get this one...Have been doubting for two years or so to buy it or not...Have to admit that Carl Perkins is the main reason for me why I'm interested in it Btw for more Carl Perkins see my topic about Inez Jones where you can dowload the complete album... j. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 I think this is the second best 50s Dexter recording, behind Daddy Plays the Horn with Kenny Drew (granted its a small group of 50s recordings, but those two records are awfully good, imo). If you dig Carl Perkins, its a no-brainer to snap this one up, Tom. It's an OK record. Songs are on the short side. Dex's sound is midway between his '40's sides and his Blue Notes, and the tunes are upbeat. As you say, there's not much mid-50's Dex available, so you might as well complete your collection. Let me put in a good word for the Stan Levey date, "This Time The Drum's On Me" (Bethlehem). Great Dex, and really nice arrangements for a sextet. A lot more polished than the other 2 dates. Got to agree with both of these. "Hot and Cool" is quite worth getting, particularly for Carl Perkins, and "This Time the Drum's On Me" is VERY worth it. I'm with the school of thought that says since there's so little mid-50's Dexter on record, one might as well get it all. Agreed all the way. Particularly liked the Levey record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.com/Dexter-Gordon-Blows-Hot-Cool-OG-Red-Vinyl-Dootone-LP_W0QQitemZ280490427558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item414e8844a6 didnt realize the orig. is pressed on red vinyl!?(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unchained_(film) whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.com/Dexter-Gordon-Blows-Hot-Cool-OG-Red-Vinyl-Dootone-LP_W0QQitemZ280490427558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item414e8844a6 didnt realize the orig. is pressed on red vinyl!?( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unchained_(film) whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would have liked to have been at that garage sale where this feller probably grabbed this seam-split, party-worn VG- graded platter at something like ... 99c or so?? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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