Stan T/ Rough 'N TUMBLE (BST 84240 or BLP 4240)

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

ive had *THE* weirdest, lovehate relationship w/ this bn album..................the lineup is like this ultimate quinessential allstar lineup, but ill never forget how i was SO disapointed w/ the album after 1st listen, (i guess after being familar w/ all bn ups UP to that pt by the musicans infvoled, i guess)...i actually RETURNED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! few yrs later copied a friends cd, more years after that, rebought the cd (its a mcmaster lateperiod not 1988 im pretty sure, white face---) but now i have a stereo 1st pressing and suddenly now im in love with it again. i cant believe i never realized how good song 1 side 2 SHAKE (sam cooke) is, the AND SATISFY song is the single i think, (if there was a single, i mean, ive seen this one on bn comps...) and yea i mean everybody doesnt do crazy solos every song, its more about the ensemble, arr by duke perason. i guess the letdown is the album doesnt have one specific really crazy james spaulding or grant green or pepper adams solo. i mean hell this is not lee morgan city lights or whatever (hes on that right)

AND WHATS UP WITH BOB CRANSHAW, is this his 1st or one of his 1st albums where he utilizes fender bass?

I WONDER WHAT BLUE MITCHELL OR GRANT GREEN THOUGHT OF HIS ELEC BASS N STUFF, GRANT MAYBE RECORDED WITH EL. B AT AT PT BUT DEF. NOT BLUE MITCHELL, I THINK, I DONT KNOW WELL IF I MEET BOB IN A FEW WKS WHEN HE COMES TO TOWN IM GONNA MAYBE ASK HIM ABOUT THAT

[sidewinder]

AND SATISFY

That's a good-un !

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

As I recollect, and without checking, I think this was about the first example of Duke Pearson's arrangements for a medium-sized band. It was certainly the first I had heard. So, when it came out, it seemed tremendously innovative within the framework of late sixties Soul Jazz. So I was very excited by it and still love it.

But I can see that, coming to this later and taking it in a different order, one could be disappointed with it.

MG

[Guy Berger]

This is a nice album, but I think The Spoiler, with a similar though not identical lineup, is much better.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

"Spoiler"'s nice too. But something DOES accrue to what came first, I think; everything else is a follow-up.

MG

[Shawn]

I love Rough 'N' Tumble. I know some people that have problems with the chosen material, but honestly, the arrangements and Stan's performance are so "ON" that any questions about song choices are kind of pointless. And Satisfy is a JAMMIN' tune!

[Chuck Nessa]

Between the two, I choose Rough 'n Tumble. I did hear it first and haven't listened to either in 10+ years.

[JSngry]

I'll take both, thanks.

[Harold_Z]

I'll take 'em both too. Rough 'N Tumble was probably the first Stanley T. lp I bought. When it first came out. Loved hearing McCoy do those Ray Charles licks!

[John L]

I have Rough N' Tumble in my small pile of least favorite Turrentine records that I own, but maybe I should revisit it as well.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

well the lineup, is STELLAR: blue mitchell grant green james spaulding pepper adams............

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

I'll take both, thanks.

Indeed - "Spoiler" comes off my shelves easily as readily as "Rough 'n tumble". I just have more affection for R&T.

MG

[clifford_thornton]

I have very little Stan T. - the LP with the Three Sounds and sideman appearances w/ Horace Parlan, etc.

That's not to say I haven't been curious about titles like the ones mentioned here, though.

[ep1str0phy]

I like Rough 'N Tumble... haven't listened to it in a while, but as noted above, the playing is strong. Every solo contribution is excellent in the idiom. The power and vitality of the actual band is almost stacked too high against the compositions, which are arranged tastily, if not challengingly. Actually, while I don't think that this imbalance detracts here, it has hampered my enjoyment of some of Turrentine's other Blue Notes--tough playing with some wimpy, wimpy songs.

[JSngry]

Duke Pearson was a bad cat. He made it sound easy (and he makes it sound like a bigger group than it is...), but you get to taking those charts apart & you realize that the man had some SKILLS!!!

[ep1str0phy]

re:JS--The one thing that does immediately strike me about Duke's arrangements are the depth of sound they achieve. The bands on Rough 'N Tumble and The Spoiler, especially, sound much larger than they should (or, rather, they achieve a big band punch that integrates nicely with the smaller group sound). The call-and-response on "Baptismal" is just soooooo ballsy. Not spectacular pieces in and of themselves, but the combination of group elements and the arrangement make for amazing middlebrow work.

[AndrewHill]

Never cared for Rough n Tumble and sold it shortly after getting it. The Spoiler is slightly better for me but I hardly play it. I guess I'm not a big fan of Duke Pearson's arrangemets because everytime I hear them, they always sound over-produced to me; just too safe-sounding with little excitement except for a good solo hear and there. I much prefer Stanley's work either with his brother or with Horace Parlan. JMO.