medjuck Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) I remember using the term funk (before it was expropriated by rock and roll) for "Moanin'" but what do you call "Sidewinder" or "Una Mas"?. And are all such songs in 2/4 time? Edited September 14, 2010 by medjuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Boooogalooos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Boooogalooos. I was going to ask about that-- also appropriated by rock and roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) "Sidewinder" = boogaloo = yes, but a jazz boogaloo, not a "Latin" one (which is from whence the word issued). "Una Nas" = boogaloo = not so much, because it's bossa/"Latin" structural accents are significantly pronounced & intrinsic. "BoogaBossa" or "BossaLoo" might be more accurate if they existed, but they don't, and it's really too late for them to begin now. Technically, both are in 4/4 time, although if you want to be hyper anal(ytical) about it, you could say that "Sidewinder" was in 8/8. Edited September 15, 2010 by JSngry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cih Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 so what's 'electric boogaloo', and why did I write it on the wall of a supermarket in 1984 when I was 11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 "Una Nas" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 Technically, both are in 4/4 time, although if you want to be hyper anal(ytical) about it, you could say that "Sidewinder" was in 8/8. I never could grasp New Math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I've long thought of "Sidewinder" as in the "jazz-funk" sub-genre, and don't really give a damn if it's accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danasgoodstuff Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 It's a Blue Note Groove Thing - I'd say defined by Higgins drumming (starting with HH's WM Man - before Sidewinder), except that Blue Mitchell's "High Heeled Sneakers" (w/A; Foster) and Donald Byrd's ____________ (w/Freddie Waits) fit into that bag, whatever you call it. Lou D w/ Egregious Muhamed, that's a whole different thing, groovey in it's own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranemonk Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I thought it was considered the first of the "soul-jazz" songs (before they termed it as such).... Whatever it is called... Damn good song! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stryker Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 (edited) Billy Higgins once told me (and I'm going from memory from a conversation nearly 25 years ago) that he felt like the secret to his groove on the "The Sidewinder" was that there was really no back beat -- no heavy whap on two and four that locked in the rhythm into a stiff rock 'n' roll feel. Listen to the flowing shuffle effect he creates on the snare drum. As far as terms, I vote "boogaloo," though I think I've used the term "funky boogaloo" in print to refer to this tune and in some cases the term "Blue Note funk" might work as a catch all for all those post-Sidewinder tunes by Morgan, Mobley and others. Edited September 16, 2010 by Mark Stryker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted September 16, 2010 Report Share Posted September 16, 2010 I take it a "bogaloo" is just a typo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted September 21, 2010 Report Share Posted September 21, 2010 It's unusual for a typo to be repeated nine times on the original LP and again in the sleeve note to the follow-up MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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