Lazaro Vega Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Have just stuck my nose in this. Didn't know Clint Eastwood slowed down Hartman's Beehive record when using it in the soundtrack to "Bridges of Madison County." Didn't know Eastwood as a teenager snuck into a club to hear the Dizzy Gillespie Big Band with Hartman in it. Didn't know Hartman's last studio recording session was for the adult entertainment "The Devil in Miss Jones, II." There's way more than that stuff here, just saying that with a skim through the discography, some of the end notes, and the first few chapters, this is an informative read. http://johnnyhartmanbook.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Hmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Forty one freaking dollars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Russell Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Dan, the new Vince Guaraldi book is going for $45.00. No wonder so many people are switching to eBooks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Will look for this book when the paperback edition comes out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Didn't know Clint Eastwood slowed down Hartman's Beehive record when using it in the soundtrack to "Bridges of Madison County." This brings back a memory of analyzing and comparing the tracks from the Beehive LP and the BoMC CD's, and gradually coming to that conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Dan, the new Vince Guaraldi book is going for $45.00. No wonder so many people are switching to eBooks! Its $30+ for a Nook copy ... still too much. The only way I'll get this is if I get a $50 B&N gift card and I'm willing to blow 60% of it on one book. Will look for this book when the paperback edition comes out! Yeah, when the price will drop to $24.95. Or more likely you'll never see a paperback edition because the hard copy sales won't be sufficient to make it worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Is this book from the "Studies In Jazz" series? They usually are just as expensive or even more so (but usually worth it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I'll take 10; actually, I never liked Hartman, or that Coltrane album. And now I shall ever associate Hartman with Mitt Romney, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) I'm waiting for the Granz bio to become affordable too. I did read the free sample chapters on my Kindle. The Beehive is maybe my favorite Hartman album: ONCE IN EVERY LIFE New York, August 11, 1980 Johnny Hartman (vocal); Frank Wess (tenor sax, flute); Joe Wilder (trumpet, flugelhorn); Al Gafa (guitar); Billy Taylor (piano); Victor Gaskin (bass); Keith Copeland (drum). EASY LIVING LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 WAVE LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 BY MYSELF LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 FOR ALL WE KNOW LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 WILL YOU STILL BE MINE? 45: Bee Hive unnumbered promo LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 I COULD WRITE A BOOK LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 I SEE YOUR FACE BEFORE ME LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 MOONLIGHT IN VERMONT LP: Bee Hive BH 01 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 Hartman (vocal) accompanied by Gafa (guitar) only. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A SONG 45: Bee Hive unnumbered promo LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 NOBODY HOME LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 45: "Bee Hive unnumbered promo" was distributed to radio stations only. LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 entitled ONCE IN EVERY LIFE LP: Bee Hive BH 01 entitled THE Bee Hive SESSIONS - UNISSUED TUNES, VOL. 1 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 entitled REMEMBERING MADISON COUNTY. It consists of seven tunes by Hartman (including six tunes from the LP and one previously unissued) as above, and three piano instrumentals by Ahmad Jamal. http://www.jazzdiscography.com/fitzgera/hartman.htm This inspired me to listen to some of his early stuff on Spotify. I must say, in the '40s he was almost as unbearable as Kenny "Pancho" Hagood. I'm glad he got better. Edited August 8, 2012 by Pete C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 I'm waiting for the Granz bio to become affordable too. I did read the free sample chapters on my Kindle. The Beehive is maybe my favorite Hartman album: ONCE IN EVERY LIFE New York, August 11, 1980 Johnny Hartman (vocal); Frank Wess (tenor sax, flute); Joe Wilder (trumpet, flugelhorn); Al Gafa (guitar); Billy Taylor (piano); Victor Gaskin (bass); Keith Copeland (drum). EASY LIVING LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 WAVE LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 BY MYSELF LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 FOR ALL WE KNOW LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 WILL YOU STILL BE MINE? 45: Bee Hive unnumbered promo LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 I COULD WRITE A BOOK LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 I SEE YOUR FACE BEFORE ME LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 MOONLIGHT IN VERMONT LP: Bee Hive BH 01 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 Hartman (vocal) accompanied by Gafa (guitar) only. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A SONG 45: Bee Hive unnumbered promo LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 NOBODY HOME LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 45: "Bee Hive unnumbered promo" was distributed to radio stations only. LP: Bee Hive BH-7012 entitled ONCE IN EVERY LIFE LP: Bee Hive BH 01 entitled THE Bee Hive SESSIONS - UNISSUED TUNES, VOL. 1 CD: Malpaso / Warner Bros. 46259 entitled REMEMBERING MADISON COUNTY. It consists of seven tunes by Hartman (including six tunes from the LP and one previously unissued) as above, and three piano instrumentals by Ahmad Jamal. http://www.jazzdiscography.com/fitzgera/hartman.htm This data is incomplete. There was another Malpaso/Warner Bros CD which included the rest of the Beehive tracks. I sent the correct info to Mr. Friedwald many years ago, but he apparently disregarded it. I also alerted Mike Fitzgerald to the existence of the other CD (in 2004), here in a thread about the Beehive discography. In addition to the above listed "Remembering Madison County" CD, there was also a CD titled "The Bridges Of Madison County" (Malpaso / Warner Bros. 45949), which included the remaining Beehive tracks: "Easy Living", "I See Your Face Before Me" (same version as on 46259, but mastered at a different speed), "It Was Almost Like A Song", and "For All We Know", in addition to tracks by Dinah Washington, Barbara Lewis, and Irene Kral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I think he was perhaps an unhappy man-in the sense of all artists having to live in the real world. I base this on the scant evidence of two early '80s incidents: a radio interview that wasn't bitter exactly but disappointed w/the world and its ways. And he stumbled into a long-defunct NY piano bar, the West Boondock, so drunk he could barely walk. I think Duke Jordan was playing. Hartman did not sing. However things worked out for him in his view he had plenty to be proud of: the stuff w'Trane is the best-known, but I prefer the Voice That Is and Just Dropped by to Say Hello, but especially All of Me-where he swings with a big band, throwing off the chains of the balladeer stereotype. I'm glad for those ballads, though. He owned them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 The Beehive album IS excellent. I still have the vinyl. Never a big fan of the Coltrane album myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Joel, I remember West Boondock. Another Joel used to have a regular gig there before I got to know him. The sample chapters didn't make me think this is a must read. Not every musician should get a bio. Yet I'd love to see a Joe Lee Wilson book because I loved his singing and liked him so much. Ditto Leon Thomas. Andy Bey would make a good subject for a bio on so many levels. Edited August 26, 2012 by Pete C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Forrester? Good, quirky composer. Good stuff. I think bios of musicians ARE important, if only so people would know what we go through-and then possibly understand, if not appreciate. Also for the humor and life. It's not the many stories, it's the telling, by mediocre writers or poor researchers. Or they insinuate themselves in the story unbidden-sorry to say like the late Gene Lees, who I found superior, pretetentious, and annoying-not to mention w/several bugs up his ass (mostly a silly obsession w/white players getting no credit or something). Anyway, some time ago a writer was going to write a collective bio of sidemen in jazz. What, he wondered aloud, became of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Forrester? Yeah. I forget the name of the bassist he was working with then, pre-Hofstra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Dave Hofstra was my old mate in Marshall Brown's Wednesday sessions. Also in that band: Gene Allen, Hod O'Brien, and the late Wade Barnes-who I grew up in jazz with. Did us all a world of good. Marshall was a great teacher. Last time I saw Dave he was playing duo w/Joel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I remember when I met Dave one of his regular gigs was with blues singer Bobby Radcliff. So I just did a search and found this album from '85, with some "downtown jazz" all-stars of the day: EARLY IN THE MORNING (1985) A-Okay LP-1000 Bobby Radcliff: guitar & vocals Dave Hofstra, Brian Miller & Oren Bloedow: basses Bobby Previte: drums Wayne Horvitz: piano Philip Johnston: tenor saxophone Dave Sewelson: baritone saxophone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Never heard of any of 'em except for Horvitz-and he moved to Seattle, so he might as well be dead (insert 'wink' icon here, while I up and run for cover). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Was Oren Bloedow a jazz bassist at some point? I didn't know. Surprise you've never heard of Previte before, Joel. He and Horvitz seem to have done a lot of stuff together. I'm not all that familiar with any of these guys, but if someone said Horvitz, my mind would say Previte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I did hear of him-just don't know his music, or any of theirs, really, except Joel's tunes-which I like. I never heard the Microscopic, even though I knew Dave earlier. It would've been impossible to live in NY in the '80s and NOT have heard of a lot of those guys. They were press darlings-you couldn't open the Village Voice and not read about the 'downtown scene'. I just never checked it out. Maybe the hype made me suspicious, dunno. Anyway, I just went a different way, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Gotcha. That's pretty much the extent that I am familiar with them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete C Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Was Oren Bloedow a jazz bassist at some point? He attended New England Conservatory in 1987-88, and on returning, started gigging frequently at the Knitting Factory on Houston St. Previte, Horvitz and Johnston were all playing there, and so were many musicians Oren came to play with, like Samm Bennett, The Jazz Passengers, Marc Ribot, Bosho, Gary Lucas and innumerable others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oren_Bloedow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 You know, on Wikipedia one can submit one's own bio-and embroider as desired. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:.impossible Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I saw that wiki. I had no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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