Has the bottom fallen out of the Mosaic market?

[medjuck]

1 hour ago, Ed Swinnich said:

Hoping not to die too soon, but at age 60, you never know.....  

 

My will has a provision to let my sons pick my Mosaic sets in a "snake" format.  I hope they will keep and enjoy them but realize they will more than likely be put up for sale.  I don't care what they may be worth, I just know that I enjoyed the hell out of them!  Hope they will too.

You're way too young to be worried about this. (Oh to be 60 again.) , But what's "snake" format? 

[Scott Dolan]

For example: 1 2 3 3 2 1 1 2 3

It's a draft that snakes back and forth. 

[mjzee]

Just bought The Complete Roost Sonny Stitt Studio Sessions on eBay for $74.99 (incl. shipping).

[Kevin Bresnahan]

I am still waiting for a Horace Parlan vinyl set to show up at a decent price. Not all sets have dropped in value.

[sidewinder]

The issue with that one of course is that the price is likely to track what are now some very high priced Blue Note originals on vinyl.

I remember deliberating between CD and vinyl on this one when it was originally on sale and glad to have made the vinyl choice.

[mandrill]

It sure feels like a "buyer" market in Mosaics. I got long coveted Jimmy Giuffre Atlantic set for $72 on e-bay yesterday, along with Buddy Rich and Basie Verve sets also well below the original prices. There were about a dozen of other sets (mostly pre-bop) from that seller that didn't bid up to original price. One of the reasons could be that the seller misspelled it "MOSIAC" on all his listings. But even ones with correct description are not getting as much attention as they used to years ago. I wonder if there might be some resurgence in 5-10 years or so, as hipper millennials might get into Mosaics, as they do into vinyl in general now.

 

 

 

 

[Scott Dolan]

Good question. My guess is probably not, because vinyl is a hipster fad that's mostly about the medium itself. I think for Mosaic's to have a similar revival the younger generations would have to alter their musical tastes. 

You have to keep in mind that youngsters are buying vinyl, but it's mostly of music they already enjoy. 

[mandrill]

Perhaps you're right, Scott. Most likely the drop in Mosaic prices is a part of a broader trend of people bailing on CDs as medium, transferring their music to ephemera of computer files. Well, I remember 90's being a golden time for second-hand LP hunters. Not anymore. Maybe something similar will happen to CD. Maybe not.

I've never thought about buying music as investment-  discovering a lot of various interesting music in affordable ways is what I'm after.

Edited December 11, 2017 by mandrill

[Scott Dolan]

Yeah, I'm right there with you. I never bought any piece of music thinking, "in the future I could sell this for a mint!" 

I don't begrudge those that DO look at it as an investment, but it's definitely not my thing. 

If it's not reasonably priced and relatively accessible, I'm not interested. 

Hell, based on prices I've seen the Plugged Nickel box going for, I could get double what I paid for it. But why? 

[mandrill]

Actually, it's easier to find Plugged Nickel set at decent price now, than, say, 5-7 years ago- unless you mean a Mosaic vinyl copy. I got a sealed copy of CD set for $80 on Amazon last year.

[Scott Dolan]

Oh cool! Then it must be back in print, or was it a used copy? That's an outstanding price, though. 

It's been a few years since I looked it up on eBay, but I remember the CD box sets being sold for $300+! Insanity! 

[mandrill]

3 hours ago, Scott Dolan said:

Oh cool! Then it must be back in print, or was it a used copy? That's an outstanding price, though. 

It's been a few years since I looked it up on eBay, but I remember the CD box sets being sold for $300+! Insanity! 

It was used, as it is still out of print.

[aparxa]

Selling a Mosaic set on ebay without a proper mention of Mosaic or no mention at all is major mistake and the ending price does not represent its actual value. The  poor filters/categories  on ebay make it difficult to  track down  a specific record, unless you make multiple searches, a real hassle. And it's got worse over the years. My steal of the year was the Nat King Cole 27 LPs, almost sealed and delivered for $120. When discogs will start selling lots and do auctions, Ebay will look even more pathetic, musicwise.

 

[Al in NYC]

Well, I'm suddenly the owner of 19 more Mosaic sets (and several additional Selects).  Although he died back in April, I finally removed them from my father's apartment last month, and have them sitting in a box in the "office" (read: deductible room full of junk that has no place else to go) in my typically cramped NYC apartment.  I was sort of idly wondering what they were worth, remembering the ebay frenzies of several years back, and ended up on this thread.  All I can say is that it's a good thing that I enjoy the music in most of them so much that I wouldn't consider selling them anyway.

[hbbfam]

4 hours ago, Al in NYC said:

Well, I'm suddenly the owner of 19 more Mosaic sets (and several additional Selects).  Although he died back in April, I finally removed them from my father's apartment last month, and have them sitting in a box in the "office" (read: deductible room full of junk that has no place else to go) in my typically cramped NYC apartment.  I was sort of idly wondering what they were worth, remembering the ebay frenzies of several years back, and ended up on this thread.  All I can say is that it's a good thing that I enjoy the music in most of them so much that I wouldn't consider selling them anyway.

What was in the collection?

[Al in NYC]

On 12/12/2017 at 7:47 PM, hbbfam said:

What was in the collection?

Armstrong Deccas

Baker/Freeman

Serge Chaloff

Columbia Small Group Swing

Desmond/Hall

Curtis Fuller

Gillespie

Hall/Johnson/DeParis etc.

JJ Johnson

Thad Jones

Mingus Candids

Blue Mitchell

Mulligan/Baker

Herbie Nichols

Joe Pass

Oscar Peterson

Stuff Smith

Teagarden Roulettes

Teagarden Fifties

He also had the Andrew Hill and the Mingus Jazz Workshop sets, but I already had those.

 

[gmonahan]

Lots of very fine music there! You have hours of great listening ahead!

 

 

 

gregmo

[T.D.]

Surprising but pleasant experience today.

Last night I was looking at Lennie Tristano CDs (thanks to a video posted on the pianist left hand thread), and noticed a "NM" Tristano/Konitz/Marsh Mosaic on eBay with a seemingly low current bid.

I lobbed in a lowish (IMO) bid expecting to get soundly topped, but won it for $118.50 shipped. Looking forward to listening. [Added: This was the first time in years that I made a non-"Buy it Now" bid on eBay. Can't even recall the last time I did so.]

Edited February 26, 2018 by T.D.

[Larry Kart]

The liner notes are worth that much.

[paul secor]

2 hours ago, Larry Kart said:

The liner notes are worth that much. 

[Brad]

Yesterday I went to Princeton Record Exchange, which was pretty crowded.  Anyway, they have quite a few Mosaic, both the big box and Selects and the prices were very low. No new news there but still kind of shocking. The Tolliver (which I picked up for Justin) was $29; you can’t find it for less than $85 on Discogs. They had a Maynard Ferguson; only $299; cheapest I’ve ever seen it. You can’t buy it on Discogs or eBay for less than $450. And on and on.  Even the recent Teddy Wilson was heavily discounted. Admittedly, Princeton Record Exchange wants to move merchandise, but still.  

[gmonahan]

4 hours ago, Brad said:

Yesterday I went to Princeton Record Exchange, which was pretty crowded.  Anyway, they have quite a few Mosaic, both the big box and Selects and the prices were very low. No new news there but still kind of shocking. The Tolliver (which I picked up for Justin) was $29; you can’t find it for less than $85 on Discogs. They had a Maynard Ferguson; only $299; cheapest I’ve ever seen it. You can’t buy it on Discogs or eBay for less than $450. And on and on.  Even the recent Teddy Wilson was heavily discounted. Admittedly, Princeton Record Exchange wants to move merchandise, but still.  

They'd get a lot more if they sold on-line.

 

 

 

gregmo

[sidewinder]

That’s a great price for the Maynard set - presumably CD version?

[jlhoots]

Tried to sell my Braxton, Threadgill & Morgan / Shorter sets here recently at what I thought were reasonable prices. Nothing sold. Of course several reasons were given - everyone who wants them has them, I don't take PayPal, I don't ship out of the US.

[Brad]

Pretty sure it was cd.