JSngry Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Posted July 21, 2017 And if I don't get caught in the Voicemail Loop From Sadism Hell like happened the last time... Quote
JSngry Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Posted July 21, 2017 Not going to worry about it that level. It's pre-ordered, so it'll either show up or not. I'll either get billed or not. The only insertion point for me is if I get the wrong damn set (happened twice over the last bajillion years,, not bad, all things considered). And you know, it's not something I have to have. I got that whole series of Hep CDs of Goodman Plays ______ . If need be, that's good enough. I just figure that Mosaic will be even better. But I'm not greedy or obsessive about it, not these days, anyway. But hey - that was a damn good band that played extremely well. So here's hoping that it comes back in stock so people who might want to check it out have a chance to do so. If it doesn't, you can still get the Heps, usually. But if you can get the best, why not? Quote
JSngry Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Posted July 21, 2017 The bulk of this set is pre-war (which war? does it matter? they're all the same!), and that's where my interest lies for this band from a musical, not just sociological, standpoint (and you can argue that they're the same thing, and yeah, maybe, but been there done that, just not right now, fair enough?). The Victor era was often/usually raw, ragged, and not without it's charm, very much "big band", very much "pop music". But Goodman evolved, his band went with him (that's what they were paid for, right?), and really, the music became less "pop" and more "classical", less "big band" and more "orchestral". The same thing was happening with Ellington at about the same time, right? Different energies, hell, different worlds, but much the same impulse - this music can "be" more than disposable feel-good dance music, or even better, this music can be feel-good dance music and also add more layers of substance, meaning, feelings. "Third Stream" music as an attitude, a true blending of esthetics...I don't think that the early 40s Goodman band gets looked at in that light very often, but it certainly can/should be, maybe because "Third Stream" is not a term that's favorably embraced by a lot of people, but oh well, tell that to Ran Blake, right? And yeah, Gene Krupa was all that yowsah hot momma, but...Dave Tough? Sid Catett? Nick Fatool? Those are some tasty motherfuckers! And hell yeah, big bands got louder over and after the war ears. Life got louder. The atom bomb is not exactly an instrument of charm. Or am i missing something about that? Does this person look beguiled in any way? Quote
JSngry Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Howdy said: And don't give me that facile bullshit about music emulating life: by that logic the music should have become very quiet after that loud war ended -- or perhaps the music should have become very cold during the Cold War. Or am I missing something about that? A NICE Day! OTOH, all that repressed anxiety had to find an outlet somewhere! You get too cold and it does get hot! Cool better than cold, unless until otherwise. Konitz better than most, always. Heroin also no better than coke, even when mixed, but either way...no matter where you go, there's always somebody there. Thermostats in action! Quote
JSngry Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Posted July 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Howdy said: but to my ears it becomes more pop in the sense that in sounds like garish movie soundtrack scores. Give me an example of a "garish movie score" from, say, 1945. and then let's do a contrast and compare, ok? Quote
JSngry Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Posted July 22, 2017 Garish is no doubt subjective, but "movie soundtrack" is not...does this sound like any of that, even randy borrks? Your ears may vary, of course. Maybe we're comparing apples and...pickles? No matter, ignore Dick Haymes at your peril. Quote
AllenLowe Posted July 22, 2017 Report Posted July 22, 2017 I am having trouble following this discussion; are we talking about the BG Columbia and Okeh sessions? btw, not necessarily relevant here, but I just cannot listen to post-1935 Benny Goodman any more. It took me a while to figure out why, but his sound drives me nuts. It just doesn't fit the music, and to my ears it's like fingernails on a blackboard. It's too sweet and sentimental. And it just diminishes any band that plays with him. I'll take Shaw or Hasselgarde. Quote
JSngry Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Posted July 22, 2017 There's definitely a difference, I get that. I love the way the band evolved, though, the charts got better, the band got better, the sections got tighter, dynamics got more nuanced, everything just evolved. As a soloist's band, eh..., but for ensemble playing, that band got to it's own zone. No band did that thing better, Ever, Understand that it's not to everybody's tastes, an evolution of that nature, and I'd certainly not want all "big band" music to go like that, but it seems to have been right in line with Goodman's own personality. He had his own unique pocket, tempo, pulse, phrasing, quirky balance between absolute precision and definite swing pulsation,and his band played like him. And Toots Mondello, unsung hero, that sax section keeps sounding better to me as time goes by. I keep coming back to this one cut..when you listen to the zone that band is in...it's a perfect unity, no detail left unexamined and refined just so. and it swings like a mofo in that quietly fastidious Benny Goodman way. Dave Tough! That's one helluva chart (Eddie Sauter, iirc), one helluva band. Dave Tough, Jimmy Maxwell, Toots Mondello. And impeccably recorded. That's not even on the set, but this is, and again, this has to be a band at the apex of doing that unique, Goodman-specific thing. I'm in a phase right now where "orchestral" playing interests me quite a bit, section work, integrations of orchestrations and micro-timings to create a unified compositional performance. This band, they were doing that. Quote
JSngry Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Posted July 22, 2017 It's not a stimulus without reactons, whatever they are. Quote
JSngry Posted July 22, 2017 Author Report Posted July 22, 2017 Wow...no, not at all. Things were getting loud before that atomic bomb. Things were getting quiet before the atomic bomb. But the atomic bomb and all that came along and after it, that was a fulcrum point. Of course it was, don't think it can be anything else. Life was already getting loud, and WWII was aloud war between loud peoples. It had a very loud ending, and loud creates ripples. Of course people wanted quiet when they got loud. And of course loud kept getting louder the more people wanted quiet. And of course both things happened concurrently. How could they not? People never get what they want, they get what they want to get away from. We are hunters and prey at once. As for that Goodman cut, gotta be this that or another you never will be, ha, I wish there was a movie orchestra that played like that. Don't know how much written ensemble music you listen to or how you listen to it, that's your business, not mine, but that band's blend and precision is really remarkable. And it swings, maybe not BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM swing, but people talk about how tight the Glenn Miller band was (and it was, the airshots are a marvel at times), but the Miller band just did not swing the way this band did (if they swung at all, somebody once said here a long time ago that no, they didn't swing, they rocked, and maybe so). What's the point of having charts if you're not going to dig into them and make them speak? Those weren't head charts, riff excursions, jamming frameworks, those were purposeful self-contained works. The degree of detail in how Goodman got his band to play them is not at all common. If you think it's loud, listen to how it's loud, there are different types of loud, different ways to balance the balances, blends and attacks. Loud is not just a matter of decibels, ok? Quote
Ed S Posted July 22, 2017 Report Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) On 7/16/2017 at 3:41 AM, Clunky said: I got notification from Mosaic that my order of the James P Johnson set it ready to ship Got my notice the same day. Big win for the "JPJ Pressure Group". Happy to say the set arrived today. Looking forward to giving it a spin. Edited July 22, 2017 by Ed Swinnich Quote
Ed S Posted July 24, 2017 Report Posted July 24, 2017 Mingus arrived today. I received notice that it was ready to be shipped on 7/19. Seems like the back log of orders for Mosaic sets has subsided. Now what?....... Quote
AaronG Posted July 25, 2017 Report Posted July 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Ed Swinnich said: Mingus arrived today. I received notice that it was ready to be shipped on 7/19. Seems like the back log of orders for Mosaic sets has subsided. Now what?....... The end of the beginning of the end. Aaron Quote
Scott Dolan Posted July 25, 2017 Report Posted July 25, 2017 He's the most underrated actor in Hollywood. Quote
Scott Dolan Posted July 25, 2017 Report Posted July 25, 2017 2 hours ago, JSngry said: Loved him on Treme! Hmmm, I'll have to check that out now that we have HBO Now. I thought he was phenomenal in 10 Cloverfield Lane. Quote
jazzbo Posted July 25, 2017 Report Posted July 25, 2017 He was only in Season 1 of Treme. Just mentioning it in case you were going to start with Season 2 for some reason! Quote
Scott Dolan Posted July 25, 2017 Report Posted July 25, 2017 Depending on how many rum runners I had that night, anything would be possible I guess! Quote
Berthold Posted July 26, 2017 Report Posted July 26, 2017 this email has just arrived from Mosaic (good News of Course!9: Two More Sets Back In Stock View this email with imagesAdd to Address Book Forward To A Friend July 26, 2017 Limited Editions Back In Stock! The Complete Clifford Jordan Strata-East Sessions Strata-East began as a collaboration between pianist Stanley Cowell and trumpeter Charles Tolliver, who were forced into "self-publishing" when they couldn't find a label that would issue and market their "Music Inc." album. Clifford Jordan liked what he heard and asked the team if they could press and release sessions he had made headlined by Pharoah Sanders, Charles Brackeen, Cecil Payne, Ed Blackwell, Wilbur Ware and himself on dates from 1968 and '69. The session led by Ware went unreleased until 2012, and the Blackwell session makes its first appearance here. "The Complete Clifford Jordan Strata-East Sessions," bundles them all for the first time ever. It features the 6 outstanding unreleased tracks, by Ed Blackwell with a drum ensemble and a quartet featuring Don Cherry. Collectively, the sessions are a microcosm of the jazz world in the 1970s, where the power was always on and the ideas were electrifying. Unsurprisingly, every track is an original - there's not one standard tune in the lot "Appropriately this box includes what from many perspectives was Clifford Jordan's recorded masterwork, Glass Bead Games..this will certainly rekindle interest in and broaden consideration of Clifford Jordan's overall career, presenting as it does some unpolished diamonds and previously unreleased gems of a late-60s/early 70s recording period that is certainly overdue for this level of retrospective consideration." - Willard Jenkins, liner notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Mingus The Jazz Workshop Concerts 1964-65 We all know about small, medium and large. Coach, Business, and First Class. And then there's urgent, critical, and life-threatening. At Mosaic, we have three stages, too: rare and historically important; acclaimed milestone; and undeniably monumental epic masterpiece. We've uncovered another one of those epic masterpieces. The set chronicles the essential live performances of this genius of modern music as his compositions achieved a depth and complexity we would come to know as Mingus's most signature work. It includes (on the earlier recordings) the brilliant Eric Dolphy, along with Jaki Byard, Dannie Richmond, Johnny Coles, and Clifford Jordan -- certainly one of the best assemblages of musicians ever. Mosaic's box set includes an essay and track by track analysis by Mingus biographer Brian Priestley, an essay on the history of Charles Mingus Enterprises and many rare photographs from the concerts. This is truly a find worth hearing, worth savoring, and worth collecting. "Some jazz festivals settle immovable in one's memory," wrote downbeat. "Usually they have that rare and delicious moment when the intensity of a performance, its inspiration, is so overwhelming it sets off something akin to an electric shock... Such a performance roused the Sunday afternoon audience to a cheering, standing ovation at last month's Monterey Jazz Festival..." Trad, Big Band & Swing (CD Collections) Benny Goodman Louis Armstrong Duke Ellington Chick Webb & Ella Fitzgerald Louis Armstrong & The All-Stars Eddie Condon & Bud Freeman James P. Johnson Count Basie & Lester Young Modern Jazz (CD Collections) Charlie Parker Hank Mobley Ahmad Jamal Modern Jazz Quartet Charles Mingus Woody Shaw Clifford Jordan Dial Sessions Bee Hive Sessions Savoy BeBop Sessions Jazz Vocals (CD Collections) Louis Armstrong Bing Crosby Chick Webb & Ella Fitzgerald Louis Armstrong & The All-Stars Rosemary Clooney Mosaic Records HQ Vinyl Series Stan Getz Roland Kirk Gerry Mulligan DVD Box Set Jazz Icon DVD Box (6 DVDs)Great performances by the John Coltrane Quartet, Thelonious Monk, Freddie Hubbard, Johnny Griffin, Rahsaan Roland Kirk and Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers. Thank you for your support. Sincerely, All of us at www.mosaicrecords.com | email: info@mosaicrecords.com | 203-327-7111 You have received this email because you provided your email address to a UMG artist or label mailing list This email was sent to berthold.kraemer@online.de by Mosaic Records. List Manager, Mosaic Records. 425 Fairfield Ave., Stamford, CT 06902Unsubscribe | Update Profile | View Privacy Policy Quote
NotAJazzSnob Posted July 26, 2017 Report Posted July 26, 2017 I joined to share what may or may not be old news. Mosaic are selling numerous new, sealed sets on eBay under their Bluenotesound store. It took several days to get admin approval of my account here, and many items have been sold in that time. The sets I’ve looked at are numbered 0005 to 0035 (“private reserve” no doubt), and are being sold at a market premium, vice original price So far I have purchased the Herbie Nichols and Teddy Wilson sets. The UPS shipments come from Mosaic Records in Stamford -- immediately. (Maybe not from the contract shipper’s warehouse?) The following sets were listed with multiple copies available for purchase, and are still available: COMPLETE BLACK LION THELONIOUS MONK-MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE HERBIE NICHOLS-MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE CBS EDDIE CONDON ALL STARS-MOSAIC 5 CD SET MINT COMPLETE BUCK CLAYTON JAM SESSIONS-MOSAIC 6-CD SET MINT COMPLETE STAN KENTON HOLMAN-RUSSO -MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE CBS STUDIO WOODY SHAW-MOSAIC 3-CD SET - MINT COMPLETE SERGE CHALOFF-RARE MOSAIC 4 CD SET MINT Sets with one copy only are/were being auctioned rather than sold (thanks in advance for your competition…). In this category, more items are still being listed: COMPLETE BLUE NOTE IKE QUEBEC 45 SESSIONS-MOSAIC 2-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE DON CHERRY -MOSAIC 2-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE IKE QUEBEC-JOHN HARDEE-MOSAIC 4-LP SET MINT COMPLETE 1943-47 STAN KENTON -RARE MOSAIC 10-LP SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE IKE QUEBEC-JOHN HARDEE-MOSAIC 4-LP SET MINT BRUNSWICK,PARLOPHONE,VOCALION BUNNY BERIGAN- MOSAIC 7-CD SET MINT COMPLETE ROOST SONNY STITT SESSIONS- MOSAIC 9-CD SET MINT COMPLETE 1964-66 BLUE NOTE JACKIE McLEAN - MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE PHIL WOODS-MOSAIC 5-CD SET MINT COMPLETE LOUIS ARMSTRONG DECCA ALL STARS-MOSAIC 6-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE LARRY YOUNG-RARE MOSAIC 6-CD SET MINT COMPLETE COLUMBIA J.J. JOHNSON -RARE MOSAIC 7-CD SET MINT COMPLETE DUKE ELLINGTON REPRISE STUDIO-MOSAIC 6-CD SET MINT ATLANTIC NEW ORLEANS JAZZ SESSIONS-RARE MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE CANDID OTIS SPANN-LIGHTNIN’ HOPKINS- MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE SIDNEY BECHET-MOSAIC 4 CD SET MINT The following items sold in the last week, so are probably gone from Mosaic: COMPLETE CLEF/VERVE COUNT BASIE STUDIO- MOSAIC 8-CD SET MINT COMPLETE PACIFIC JAZZ CHICO HAMILTON QUINTET 6-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE AMMONS-LEWIS-MOSAIC 2-CD SET MINT (also 3 LP SET) COMPLETE COLUMBIA JAZZ PIANO MOODS- MOSAIC 7-CD SET MINT COMPLETE ATLANTIC TRISTANO-KONITZ-MARSH-MOSAIC 6-CD SET MINT COMPLETE FEB ’57 BLUE NOTE JIMMY SMITH-MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE STAN GETZ-JIMMY RANEY-MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE KENTON PRESENTS COOPER, HOLMAN, ROSOLINO MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE ILLINOIS JACQUET 1945-50-RARE MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE RCA PAUL DESMOND w/JIM HALL-MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE SAM RIVERS-MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE CAPITOL JACK TEAGARDEN – MOSAIC 4-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE/UA CURTIS FULLER-MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT COMPLETE BLUE NOTE/UA THAD JONES-RARE MOSAIC 3-CD SET MINT CLASSIC CAPITOL JAZZ SESSIONS -RARE MOSAIC 12-CD SET MINT COMPLETE 1943-47 STAN KENTON -RARE MOSAIC 7-CD SET MINT FWIW, there are printer cartridges in their list too, but no other goods. Perhaps winding down; not obviously selling to the bare walls. Bless ‘em for reinvesting in keeping sets in print. Quote
stephenrr Posted July 27, 2017 Report Posted July 27, 2017 Mosaic has been selling sets on eBay for the past couple years. I've purchased ten or so but I'm buying mostly the LP sets. I did pick up the Chico Hamilton Quintet cd set for around $135 shipped. It arrived today in your basic Mosaic box with all the bubble wrap. Welcome to the board. Quote
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