erwbol Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, Harbour said: My copy turned up a couple of days, sounds fantastic to me, way better than I was expecting sound wise! Recorded exactly 50 years ago tonight! Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 10 hours ago, erwbol said: Rotterdam November 9, 1969. Final show of the tour. Total playing time 58:11 Direction (7:18) Bitches Brew (10:27) Sanctuary (25:26) Masqualero (14:59) A total bootleg and why Sony is releasing these recordings themselves to prevent this. I love the note on the disc & back of the CD: "All rights reserved. Unauthorized copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcast prohibited." Ha ha ha. They have no rights to the recording and they still think they can restrict you from doing something with it? Do whatever you like. They don't own this so there's nothing they can do. Sony on the other hand... Quote
David Ayers Posted November 9, 2019 Report Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, bresna said: A total bootleg and why Sony is releasing these recordings themselves to prevent this. I love the note on the disc & back of the CD: "All rights reserved. Unauthorized copying, reproduction, hiring, lending, public performance and broadcast prohibited." Ha ha ha. They have no rights to the recording and they still think they can restrict you from doing something with it? Do whatever you like. They don't own this so there's nothing they can do. Sony on the other hand... In what way do Sony have rights in this? And why do you care about Sony? The label don’t own the recording. They licensed it from a company in Cyprus. Does that company own the recording? Perhaps you will assert that they don’t. Years ago this board went down the path of obsessions and ranting about what is ‘legit’. It has never recovered, sadly. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, David Ayers said: In what way do Sony have rights in this? And why do you care about Sony? The label don’t own the recording. They licensed it from a company in Cyprus. Does that company own the recording? Perhaps you will assert that they don’t. Years ago this board went down the path of obsessions and ranting about what is ‘legit’. It has never recovered, sadly. Miles was under contract to Columbia (now Sony). They own the rights to this recording. They don't own the recording, but they do own the right to sell it if they want it sold. Look, I know you think it's great to be able to hear this, but it's a bootleg, plain & simple. The thing is, your desire to hear something doesn't override the rights owner's rights to profit off of it, whether you like it or not. Quote
David Ayers Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, bresna said: Miles was under contract to Columbia (now Sony). They own the rights to this recording. They don't own the recording, but they do own the right to sell it if they want it sold. Look, I know you think it's great to be able to hear this, but it's a bootleg, plain & simple. The thing is, your desire to hear something doesn't override the rights owner's rights to profit off of it, whether you like it or not. Laws governing radio broadcasts were and in some cases still are not the same in European countries. No World State just yet. Quote
erwbol Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 Fuck Sony. If these parasites own the rights to superior recordings like Rotterdam, let them release them already! In stead they choose to sit on them and release something inferior instead. So fuck Sony and anyone interested just download the digital rebroadcast from Dimeadozen or buy the CD for €10 if you prefer. 9 hours ago, bresna said: Look, I know you think it's great to be able to hear this, but it's a bootleg, plain & simple. The thing is, your desire to hear something doesn't override the rights owner's rights to profit off of it, whether you like it or not. @bresna SJW for the parasitic shareholder & billionaire classes. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, erwbol said: Fuck Sony. If these parasites own the rights to superior recordings like Rotterdam, let them release them already! In stead they choose to sit on them and release something inferior instead. So fuck Sony and anyone interested just download the digital rebroadcast from Dimeadozen or buy the CD for €10 if you prefer. @bresna SJW for the parasitic shareholder & billionaire classes. Don't you think it's rather hypocritical to say this in a thread about Sony's "Bootleg Series", a series invented to finally get the listeners this great music in the best sound ever? What has Sony done "wrong" here, except for taking too long to get to this particular recording before the CD market bottomed out? With this Bootleg Series, Sony began to get these recordings out there. I am glad they did it. We can disagree on this. Quote
sambrasa Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 BTW, is this a CD-R (or "CD on demand") ? Pressed CDs are always silver (or gold), never colored, as far as I can tell. I thing Promising Music also did those MPS reissues on black CD(-R)'s. Quote
erwbol Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, sambrasa said: BTW, is this a CD-R (or "CD on demand") ? Pressed CDs are always silver (or gold), never colored, as far as I can tell. I thing Promising Music also did those MPS reissues on black CD(-R)'s. It's a real pressed CD that's also black. The front side is made to look like a 7" with a label and grooves. They went out of their way to make it look nice. The phrase "50th Anniversary Recording" is clumsy though. 7 hours ago, bresna said: Don't you think it's rather hypocritical to say this in a thread about Sony's "Bootleg Series", a series invented to finally get the listeners this great music in the best sound ever? What has Sony done "wrong" here, except for taking too long to get to this particular recording before the CD market bottomed out? With this Bootleg Series, Sony began to get these recordings out there. I am glad they did it. We can disagree on this. Like you said, they sat on these recordings for decades, not just this particular concert. Now they sometimes choose to release lesser performances instead. At the time they might finally release the Rotterdam 1967 & 1969 shows officially, a lot of the older fans could have either gone deaf or to their graves. Anyway, I'll be first to pre-order a Sony release, as will most who purchase this disc, I suspect. Just get off your high horse. This was released in the EU, and within the EU it is likely a legit release. It's currently not even available in the USA. Edited November 10, 2019 by erwbol Quote
Guy Berger Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 19 hours ago, bresna said: Miles was under contract to Columbia (now Sony). They own the rights to this recording. They don't own the recording, but they do own the right to sell it if they want it sold. Look, I know you think it's great to be able to hear this, but it's a bootleg, plain & simple. The thing is, your desire to hear something doesn't override the rights owner's rights to profit off of it, whether you like it or not. This is a really unpersuasive argument 🤷♂️ Quote
JSngry Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, erwbol said: ... I'll be first to pre-order a Sony release, as will most who purchase this disc, I suspect. This. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, JSngry said: This. Me too. Take my money. Quote
JSngry Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: Me too. Take my money. But until then...a grey-market item that improves (apparently) markedly on the sound of whatever was in The Lost Quintet Tree is nothing I'm going to reflexively sneer at. Quote
erwbol Posted November 10, 2019 Report Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JSngry said: But until then...a grey-market item that improves (apparently) markedly on the sound of whatever was in The Lost Quintet Tree is nothing I'm going to reflexively sneer at. The (digital) rebroadcast was already not part of The Lost Quintet Tree I believe. I think the Tree contained an old recording. This CD is definitely better than the Tree, as was the rebroadcast. Edited November 10, 2019 by erwbol Quote
JSngry Posted November 11, 2019 Report Posted November 11, 2019 Right. If all that was wanted was the basic concert, the music, period, that's already there. But now we have a significant sonic upgrade, so, yeah. That matters. No complaints here. Put me down as more than a little disappointed that the Lost Quintet Tree wasn't officially released in its entirety. An important opportunity perhaps now lost. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted November 11, 2019 Report Posted November 11, 2019 Will the 60s Quintet Plugged Nickel box ever be reissued? Quote
felser Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 For those of us less enlightened, what was/is "The Lost Quintet Tree"? Quote
jazzbo Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 https://milestrees.blogspot.com/2011/11/1969-miles-lost-quintet-tree.html Quote
felser Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 31 minutes ago, jazzbo said: https://milestrees.blogspot.com/2011/11/1969-miles-lost-quintet-tree.html Thanks Lon! Quote
Д.Д. Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 9:26 PM, erwbol said: Just get off your high horse. This was released in the EU, and within the EU it is likely a legit release. It's currently not even available in the USA. Now Sony can probably make copies of this CD and sell them. Legal in the EU! Quote
JSngry Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 On 11/10/2019 at 2:26 PM, erwbol said: This was released in the EU, and within the EU it is likely a legit release. It's currently not even available in the USA. Well, it kinda is... https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Quintet-Miles-Davis/dp/B07TC5PNXS/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1573574298&sr=8-1 Hard copies come from the UK, but nevertheless... Quote
David Ayers Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Д.Д. said: Now Sony can probably make copies of this CD and sell them. Legal in the EU! They could have bought the tape and released it anyway. Quote
Д.Д. Posted November 12, 2019 Report Posted November 12, 2019 It's already on Spotify too: https://open.spotify.com/album/2IQwM81ZpSyo3Xp32y8VRd Quote
medjuck Posted November 16, 2019 Report Posted November 16, 2019 And you can download it at Amazon. BTW I notice that some concerts by the lost quintet were recorded by ORTF so Sony could probably get tapes. The Lost Quintet would make a great Bootleg Vol 7. Quote
medjuck Posted November 21, 2019 Report Posted November 21, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 1:12 AM, erwbol said: I wasn't aware Rotterdam 1969 had been released. Just ordered from Jazz Messengers for €11.98. Some of the tracks are extreme in length like the 25 minutes Sanctuary. Could it be the re-broadcast was the first set, since this is the second? Or was it edited? I will have to check my hard drive. Sanctuary is so long because the track includes I Fall in Love too Easily (or at least something that hints at it.). Quote
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