medjuck Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 hour ago, felser said: Mosaic contents + 2 additional tracks. 1/5 the price. What are the two additional tracks and are they available separately? (I know that may be answered somewhere in this thread but-- as is often the case-- I'm getting confused.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 Solar Records release is $30 (not a huge fan of these kinds of releases). RSD is $22. Remastered by Bernie Grundman. Solar, just copied from original record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 14 hours ago, felser said: Mosaic contents + 2 additional tracks. 1/5 the price. Same mastering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) Probably not--they probably did some tweaks to disguise their theft. And they may have used stereo mastering from Candid releases where Mosaic chose the mono source. Or they may have used tweaked Candid stereo sources throughout--I have no specific knowledge of this set. Edited December 11, 2023 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 14 hours ago, medjuck said: What are the two additional tracks and are they available separately? (I know that may be answered somewhere in this thread but-- as is often the case-- I'm getting confused.) The two 'Newport Rebels' tracks which MIngus did not play on (Peck Morrison did): 2-7 Cliff Walk 9:41 2-8 T'Aint Nobody's Bizness If I Do 7:14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 2 hours ago, jazzbo said: ...theft. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertrand Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 1 hour ago, felser said: The two 'Newport Rebels' tracks which MIngus did not play on (Peck Morrison did): 2-7 Cliff Walk 9:41 2-8 T'Aint Nobody's Bizness If I Do 7:14 Is this a different take of Cliff Walk than the one on Newport Rebels? I am confused also! Is there something new with Booker Little on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 hours ago, jazzbo said: Probably not--they probably did some tweaks to disguise their theft. And they may have used stereo mastering from Candid releases where Mosaic chose the mono source. Or they may have used tweaked Candid stereo sources throughout--I have no specific knowledge of this set. How would one know that this is a shady company? When I bought this set I had no idea that they were stealing. https://www.discogs.com/release/4222714-Charles-Mingus-The-Complete-1960-Nat-Hentoff-Sessions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, bertrand said: Is this a different take of Cliff Walk than the one on Newport Rebels? I am confused also! Is there something new with Booker Little on it? No, seem to be same takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 56 minutes ago, hbbfam said: How would one know that this is a shady company? When I bought this set I had no idea that they were stealing. https://www.discogs.com/release/4222714-Charles-Mingus-The-Complete-1960-Nat-Hentoff-Sessions It’s one of those reissue companies based in Andorra (I believe), which makes it immediately suspect for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, Brad said: It’s one of those reissue companies based in Andorra (I believe), which makes it immediately suspect for me. There is no indication they have access to original sources to work from, no licensing, they are using the mastering of other labels with possibly a little EQ or compression tweaking to escape being accused/sued for using the work of others. Whether this is "shady" I guess is a judgment call and whether one is in the US or Europe (the copyright years vary). But I don't consider them completely on the up and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hbbfam Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 hours ago, jazzbo said: There is no indication they have access to original sources to work from, no licensing, they are using the mastering of other labels with possibly a little EQ or compression tweaking to escape being accused/sued for using the work of others. Whether this is "shady" I guess is a judgment call and whether one is in the US or Europe (the copyright years vary). But I don't consider them completely on the up and up. Until someone points out "the obvious" it is not obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 It's one thing to buy that kind of stuff here and there. We all are weak and indulge. It's another thing to enthusiastically advocate for it. Beware of false profits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 12 hours ago, JSngry said: It's one thing to buy that kind of stuff here and there. We all are weak and indulge. It's another thing to enthusiastically advocate for it. Beware of false profits! In my earlier years I had bought a few things from these labels but I’ve gone out of the way to rid my collection of them. On the copyright question I believe 70 years is now the EU standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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