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Lee Morgan bootlegs on Trip

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Is anyone knowledgeable about the label "Trip".

I came across two Lee Morgan LPs on Trip at a used vinyl store yesterday. I have one of them already (released on Phoenix10).

The recording quality on these sides is simply awful. They sound as if someone used a portable recorded held on their lap! The mastering is non-existing, and the balance is ridiculous.

On the plus side, the fire and energy of these performances is off the charts, and I wouldn't be without them in my collection.

The two I have:

"Lee Morgan - Speedball" (Trip TLP 5020) also on Phoenix10 (PHX 316)

songs: "Willow Weep for Me" - 20:27

"Peyote" - 13:10

"Speedball" - 6:17

"Lee Morgan - One of a Kind" (Trip 5029)

songs: "Meo Felia" - 17:17)

"C.P." (actually "Ceora") - 16:20

"Speedball" - 1:53

(From the dialogue on these releases, I concluded that Speedball was used as Lee's break tune during this period)

Questions:

1) Can anyone confirm the personnel on these dates? They sound as if they are from the same recording. I always had assumed the tenor player from this period to be Bennie Maupin, but TLP 5029 has Billy Harper listed as the tenor player.

There is no listing of personnel for TLP 5020, but the Phoenix release has it as follows:

Lee Morgan w/

Bennie Maupin - tenor sax

Harold Mabern - piano

Jymie Merritt - bass

Mickey Roker - drums

2) Was "Meo Felia" ever commercially released? (At least that is the name of the composition as listed on the LP). I have often wondered how many tunes that this group played were never documented due to Lee's death. This was a special band.

3) Were other releases on Trip better quality? Were they all bootleg?

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They're boots. Some of the material mirrors the Lighthouse set, perhaps Fresh Sound released the same music as well.

I asked the same question on the BN Board a souple of years ago..

Not worth the $ imo.

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Those bootlegs have been discussed a number of times. The Freshsounds 2CD set says 'Lee Morgan Quintet at Lighthouse'. However this was recorded at the Both/End club in San Francisco a few days before the legitimate dates at the Hermosa Beach Lighthouse club that BN released. With the same quintet (Maupin, Mabern, Merritt, Roker). Sound on the FreshSounds set is OK. But the real thing is on the BN 3CD set. That one is a hell of an album!

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I think there were three trip LPs in all. All this material - and perhaps more - is on the Fresh Sound Lighthouse 2-CD set. The sound is so-so but the music cooks.

The personnel is Morgan/Maupin/Mabern/Merritt/Roker.

The jury is still out as to whether this is material from the Both/And or material from the same Lighthouse gig as the Blue Note set, but earlier in the week. The BN set seemed to imply it was Both/And.

I don't know about the tune called 'Meo Felia' on the Trip LPs, but the tune with that title on the Fresh Sound set is actually a Mabern tune called 'The Chief'. This was first recorded by Lee on 9/13/68, but is one of three tunes from that date that are rejected. Mabern also brought it to Frank Strozier's 'What's Goin' On' session. That's how I figured out that 'Meo Felia' was really 'The Chief'. Mabern later confirmed that this was the same tune recorded 9/13/68.

Lee Morgan copyrighted quite a few compositions that were never recorded. I have yet to find any evidence of any of them being part of the live repertoire. Neither Mabern nor Maupin remembered any of the titles I ran by them, but that doesn't mean anything - it's been 35 years.

Bertrand.

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ok i just got the Phoenix10 "out there" version------

right now on willow weep.....THE.SOUND.QUALITY. IS. *********AMAZING************. this sounds like its "in the room" with me. the dynamic range isnt as great as say, an early 80s w. german cd pressing, but omg what it lacks in dr it compeletly makes up for and more in presense. if youve never heard this lp youve never heard lee morgan live!!!!!!!!!!this lp obvously must sound exactly like whatever mastertape (and with Phoneix or Trip, i mean that very loosely) it was made from

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abt to shell out or a mint copy of the TRIP (slide adv i pm'd u) need conf. that rakin n scrapin is NOT on the trip- saw it listen in one disog. :unsure: :unsure:

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I have 3 TRIP JAZZ LPs of Lee Morgan: Live Sessions (TLX 5041), One of a Kind (TLP 5029), Two Sides of Lee Morgan (TLX 5003). None have "Rakin and Scrapin." Not sure if that helps. Which one are you interested in buying?

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hi leeway: ONE Of A KIND.

how is the sound qual on them. i have the phoenix issue which is absolouetly stunning SQ, thought maybe these would since its the same session material, although i do expect the vinyl manufacting to be lesser q. cause its Trip, after all......you have all three? how did u ever find them?

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Hi chewy, the sound strikes me as pretty good. I mean, it's not RVG quality, but the instruments come through nice and clean with sufficient volume and clarity. It's a good set, with the band and audience both into it.

I found the Trips just from traveling around and checking out record stores. I bought these several years ago, at least, and they seemed rather common at the time (don't know if they still are). I certainly didn't pay much for them.

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grr, i know i need it....25 bucks tho, grr

what kind of back ended deal did trip score w/ mercury....was it that it was the 70s and mercury was more interested in uriah heap and not old 50s jazz so they just said to hell with it and let trp release them?

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Same Trip all around. Gangsters from New Jersey. After Morris Levy was in trouble someone had to pick up the slack. Easy connections between Jersey mobsters and Chicago fellas running Mercury.

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$25 for a Trip LP? Never. They were a lousy company with cheap covers and poor vinyl/pressing quality.

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$25 for a Trip LP? Never. They were a lousy company with cheap covers and poor vinyl/pressing quality.

I agree, a rotten company with very bad product. I had a few Trip LPs back in the 1970s and they were awful, full of air bubbles, scratches and other anomalies.

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The vinyl on my copy of "One of a Kind" is really quite good, no noise, pops, etc. Must have got a lucky copy. The jackets are undoubtedly third-rate.

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