Covid Vaccination Poll Update

[Niko]

6 minutes ago, Pim said:

Got my second Pfizer today 💪whole family is now vaccinated except my pregnant wife. For the reason she is pregnant but also because she already had Covid.

living as a foreigner in the same country, I must say that I am really happy with how vaccinations went here... yes, the start was a bit slow, but I kept telling my friends that we will catch up because our healthcare system (with all its well-known faults) is designed to do a great job at something like this - and I'd argue that this is what we saw over the past few months... got my certificate of being two weeks past the second shot today, it's all in the same official app for everyone and if you need a pdf to print that's two minutes of extra work...

and this idea of letting youngsters go clubbing or on holidays right after their first vaccine shot (of Johnson&Johnson, so only one shot needed "dansen met Jansen")... had its drawbacks (as seen in the current infection numbers) but I am guardedly optimistic that it did motivate quite a few 19 year olds to get that shot as quickly as possible ... so when I will be back to teaching in September it will hopefully be to a class of vaccinated kids or even young adults... [my friend tells this story of how his kid who'd been mildly skeptic of all the policies got the shot just so he could walk around the house saying "you can't tell me anything, I am vaccinated"... in the end, it's not the reasons that count][home in Germany, I am slightly worried that they lost the chance to get the 19 year olds on track for unrestricted, vaccinated summer holidays - which still seems to be the best motivation for this demographic]

[Kevin Bresnahan]

It looks like my workplace is going to put their mask mandate back in effect. So now I am going to have to mask up again because those few who have refused to get vaccinated have put us in this situation.

I wish my work would just say, "Get vaccinated or find another job". It's working in the medical field.

Covid? No Covid here.

[BillF]

2 hours ago, bresna said:

 

I wish my work would just say, "Get vaccinated or find another job". 

 

 

 

Was being discussed here a few days ago. Saw a headline: NO JAB NO JOB.

Unlikely to become a policy as open to legal challenge (UK position. Don't know about US).

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by BillF

[Kevin Bresnahan]

34 minutes ago, BillF said:

Was being discussed here a few days ago. Saw a headline: NO JAB NO JOB.

Unlikely to become a policy as open to legal challenge.

It was legally challenged and held up a permissible. A company can say "No jab, no job". https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-150-fired-resign-over-covid-vaccine-requirement-houston-hospital-n1272071

More than 150 fired, resign over Covid vaccine requirement at Houston hospital

[jlhoots]

10 minutes ago, bresna said:

It was legally challenged and held up a permissible. A company can say "No jab, no job". https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-150-fired-resign-over-covid-vaccine-requirement-houston-hospital-n1272071

More than 150 fired, resign over Covid vaccine requirement at Houston hospital

IMHO, those health care workers refusing to get vaccinated are nuts.

Edited August 2, 2021 by jlhoots

[BillF]

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/aug/08/bosses-battle-over-rights-and-wrongs-of-no-covid-jab-no-job

[jcam_44]

Traveling through middle America it’s shocking how few masks we’ve seen. 

[Teasing the Korean]

23 minutes ago, jcam_44 said:

Traveling through middle America it’s shocking how few masks we’ve seen. 

I live in a place with a lot of unvaccinated, unmasked yahoos, and very high hospitalization rates.  At work, since we went back in late July, mask wearers have been 50/50.  No vax mandate. I have been wearing a mask and insisting that everyone wear one if they expect me to be in the same room with them.  They just announced mandatory masks yesterday.  I suspect that many of us will go back to a remote work situation soon, given the hospitalization rates.  

[Kevin Bresnahan]

Last Thursday, 8/5, we had an unvaccinated employee test positive for Covid. Because that employee was unvaccinated, he was supposed to mask up while in the building but there has been little to no enforcement here. That employee had "close contact" with 7 other employees, 4 of whom were also unvaccinated. So now we're extremely shorthanded as all 8 employees are in quarantine.

My sister-in-law's daughter got the Johnson & Johnson vaccine several months ago. Her son took a summer job at a local amusement park. He came down with a mild case of Covid and transmitted it to his mother. She is very sick - going on two weeks now. This Delta variant can bust through your vaccine's protections.

My work just announced a full mask mandate - all employees must mask up in the building. We're back to temperature checks to enter the building, answering 3 health questions, no vendor visits, no groups in the cafeteria - seating limited to one person per table, no meetings in conference rooms and "non-essential" employees who can work from home can do so until September 30th. Basically everything that was in place during the peak days is back in effect.

This sucks.

[jazzbo]

Does suck indeed. My wife's work place has become a masked, distanced one again and she's not happy. . . but I am as it will keep her safer. We are Pfizer fully vaccinated, but this variant is a powerful one.

[medjuck]

On 7/28/2021 at 0:21 PM, rostasi said:

Our Finnegans Wake reading group 

Seriously, I'm impressed. 

[Guy Berger]

On 7/28/2021 at 0:21 PM, rostasi said:

Our Finnegans Wake reading group decided to go back to meeting together
in the back of a restaurant that we used to meet at monthly. I said, "Nope."
I'm not sitting in a restaurant (or any public place, actually) again until, maybe,
late October when we are planning on our first short trip in two years.

My sense is depending on where you are, late October could either be a very good time to meet indoors or a very bad time - the Delta wave has seasonal patterns in different locations, and seems to have a short life cycle (of course, it hospitalizes and kills a lot of unvaccinated people during this short life cycle).

It's already peaked in some of the earliest epicenters (in Missouri, Arkansas) and is in the process of peaking in Florida.  But if I was in the northern US, especially in a low- or mid-vaccinated state (of which there are a lot up north) then I'd be at least somewhat concerned about late fall and winter.  For unvaccinated people it's going to be really dangerous.

On 8/10/2021 at 4:01 AM, jcam_44 said:

Traveling through middle America it’s shocking how few masks we’ve seen. 

It's more shocking how few vaccinated people you're probably seeing.

While I'm in 100% favor of a temporary return of indoor masking mandates when and where cases are high and/or rising, I'm troubled by how reluctant governments and businesses have been to impose and enforce vaccination mandates.  I'm happy to see this turning around at least somewhat.  Masking helps; vaccination helps a lot more.

On 7/28/2021 at 1:10 PM, Rooster_Ties said:

I read all these stories about should Pfizer and Moderna vaccine recipients get a 3rd booster shot?? — but absolutely NOTHING about us poor “one and done” Johnson & Johnson recipients.

I’m not losing any sleep over it, because I’m in Washington DC where the spread has been and still is very low — but I would definitely like to know more about (for instance) how the J&J holds up against the Delta variant.

Here in San Francisco people there's a specific initiative to give J&J vacinees booster shots.

I think official announcements on booster shots to vulnerable people and health care workers are coming soon, and will probably be open to the public sometime during fall.

I also hope that vaccination for under-11 kids is authorized soon, and that it's coupled with mandates for students (students over the age of 12 need to be put under a vaccine mandate too).

[Guy Berger]

44 minutes ago, rostasi said:

The place we go to regularly has handled the pandemic incredibly well. The county has had a total of only about 1800 cases (pop: 100,000) since the beginning, but it's the whole travel process that you have to go thru - airports if we fly or a long road trip with a stay in-between if we drive - that compounds the uncertainty of it all. You'd like to think that if we just had a solid month of everyone doing the right thing that we could be damn well near over this and we could get back to something almost sane. At this constant rate of utter stupidity that we're living thru, I'm now wondering whether we'll have to cancel all of the arrangements we've made for Big Ears in late March. All we can do is just keep looking at the numbers and monitoring the situation and hope we don't deplete our Greek-letter options.

IMHO this is going to be endemic for the foreseeable future, plan accordingly.  Vaccinated adults will be at low risk, unvaccinated at very high risk.  Vaccination mandates on certain activities will make them much safer.  You'll probably want to plan on visiting areas with high vaccination rates and avoid areas with low vaccination rates.  Outbreaks will occasionally disrupt plans but will be much worse, on average, in low-vaccination areas.

[medjuck]

1 hour ago, rostasi said:

 

It's been fun number of years, but the reality of our times sets in. Joyce will be always be there at a later time.
If you're interested, here's six minutes of a reading (with light electronics) at the bottom of the page.

You probably know this but Marshall Mcluhan's Phd dissertation was about the thunderclaps in Finnegan's Wake.  And y ou probably noticed that I just spelled it wrong.  Why is there no apostrophe? 

Edited August 12, 2021 by medjuck
Ignorance

[Guy Berger]

One thing I recently learned is that, to improve the Continental Army's ability to fight British troops, George Washington mandated his soldiers' inoculation against smallpox.

Vaccination mandates are as American as apple pie!

[JSngry]

No, it's not your imagination...

 

[Dave Garrett]

On 8/12/2021 at 1:47 PM, medjuck said:

And y ou probably noticed that I just spelled it wrong.  Why is there no apostrophe? 

It's always been my understanding that the omission of the apostrophe ensures that the title's interpretation is ambiguous (like many other concepts one encounters in Joyce's work):

https://fuckyeahjoyce-blog-blog.tumblr.com/post/23141372251/theres-no-fucking-apostrophe-in-finnegans-wake

[JSngry]

I knew that Memphis had a port on the Mississippi, like, a looooong time, but it never dawned on me to consider that it was an honest to god international port, with border and customs agents and shit!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/14/us/memphis-fake-vaccination-cards-us-border-patrol/index.html

[Rabshakeh]

On 12/08/2021 at 8:50 PM, Guy Berger said:

One thing I recently learned is that, to improve the Continental Army's ability to fight British troops, George Washington mandated his soldiers' inoculation against smallpox.

Vaccination mandates are as American as apple pie!

What would inoculations have been like then? I imagine the needles were just big glass straws. And it was before germ theory, so one can only hope they at least wiped them down in between jabs.

[riddlemay]

Maybe this would be a good place to share news about third shots, when news becomes available. Will be very interested to learn the where, when, and how--and will certainly share any news I have. 

For now all I have to share is that on Friday I received an email blast from NorthShore University HealthSystem (Chicago metro area consortium) headlined "Per CDC, NorthShore Prepares for COVID-19 Booster Vaccines for Immune-Compromised Patients," with the subhead "NorthShore: Moving Fast to Get Select Patients Recommend Booster Shots." The gist of the body copy is simply, paraphrasing, "rest assured, we'll let you know when there's anything to know."

[Kevin Bresnahan]

My oldest daughter just dodged a Covid bullet. Her school had a mandatory in-person "personal development day" and the person sitting directly behind her, sans mask, was later diagnosed Covid-positive. My daughter's test result came back negative. She is very relieved.

[Guy Berger]

18 hours ago, Rabshakeh said:

What would inoculations have been like then? I imagine the needles were just big glass straws. And it was before germ theory, so one can only hope they at least wiped them down in between jabs.

Variolation

“The procedure was most commonly carried out by inserting/rubbing powdered smallpox scabs or fluid from pustules into superficial scratches made in the skin.”

[Rabshakeh]

Even worse

[mjazzg]

4 hours ago, Guy Berger said:

Variolation

“The procedure was most commonly carried out by inserting/rubbing powdered smallpox scabs or fluid from pustules into superficial scratches made in the skin.”

And we talk about vaccine hesitancy today!

[Rabshakeh]

The main purpose of the past is to gross out the present.