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Grant Green: under-estimated as Jazz artist, and Blue Note to blame?
JSngry replied to Milestones's topic in Artists
This was my first exposure to Coryell. I thought it was the most schizo playing ever, at least in one solo. It kinda is, really. -
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Grant Green: under-estimated as Jazz artist, and Blue Note to blame?
ep1str0phy replied to Milestones's topic in Artists
Re: adventurous guitarists that might rightly be considered modern jazz or post-bop: Zoller is a great callout. If we're talking early, mid-60's, there is a bit of a recorded scarcity of guitarists operating in more contemporary contexts. In retrospect, I'd assert that the advent of Hendrix really altered the the perceptual range of possibilities for guitar. Speaking as a guitar player, I think a lot of this has to do with technology and innovation. The vernacular(s) of jazz guitar operate in this liminal space between horns and piano. It isn't an ideal instrument for either expressive melodicism or harmonic density - the guitar can do both, but other instruments are better suited to either extreme. It isn't a coincidence that a slew of new, decidedly modernistic guitarists emerged in the 1960s. The minute louder amps and effects pedals became more widely available - and after guitarists like Hendrix established what could be done on the instrument - it became easier for people to find a role for guitar in modern jazz ensembles. What many may not understand about gain on guitar is that it compresses your signal. Overdrive/distortion/fuzz are not merely effects - they actually change how lines articulate. A guitarist with a well-controlled fuzz pedal can play as fluidly as a horn player, even with the jazz/high-gauge strings that allow for stability of intonation. All this is to say that a guy like Grant Green may very well not have played like Grant Green had different technology been available in his youth. (And that's the story of music.) Case in point: consider Ray Russell, a very capable English guitarist who plays in a linear style not fundamentally dissimilar to a Zoller or Coryell (although he's somewhat less fluid and more angular-melodic - more akin to Jim Hall than Tal Farlow): This is from '68. You can already hear the inflection of the Coltrane-Miles continuum of modalism - which is to say that he's playing as more of a melodist and less of a vertical (harmonic) improviser. He just hasn't put it all together yet - he's missing that extra layer of expressivity. This is from '71: The fuzz grants Russell and extra layer of expressivity - there are explicit overtures to American fusion and free jazz. This version of Russell (essentially the same that would play "Stained Angel Morning," which by a certain metric might be considered the guitar equivalent of Spiritual Unity) is capable of contributing to a more contemporary ensemble in a meaningful way. See what happened to Derek Bailey toward the end of the '60s, James Blood Ulmer in the '70s, and Sonny Sharrock after his resurgence and you get roughly the same picture. - Yesterday
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RIP. Contributed to some great recordings!
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Grant Green: under-estimated as Jazz artist, and Blue Note to blame?
Guy Berger replied to Milestones's topic in Artists
This is the kind of stuff that I had in mind. Music that lands in the same place as the Miles 2nd quintet, Coltrane’s classic quartet, the music that Shorter/Henderson/McLean/Hill were recording for Blue Note… it’s telling that these guys never included guitarists in their recordings prior to 1968. Someone mentioned Larry Coryell upthread - good callout. I’d put him in the same bucket as Szabo, Zollar. -
2024 @CFL hot stove league
GA Russell replied to GA Russell's topic in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
Today's Preakness was a muddy track, and it was won by the horse I was rooting for, Seize the Grey! The bettors had him at 9-1, I think seventh of eight. He led from start to finish. (2) NBC Sports on X: "Seize The Grey WINS the 149th Preakness Stakes! 🌻 https://t.co/Uqyb5nXPuS" / X (2) Preakness Stakes on X: "Congratulations to Seize the Grey, @MyRacehorse, and @jaimetorresjcky for winning #Preakness149!" / X -
What Classical Music Are You Listening To?
mjzee replied to StarThrower's topic in Classical Discussion
Reinhard Goebel complete Archiv box, disc 38. -
Three Shades of Blue
sgcim replied to Brad's topic in Jazz In Print - Periodicals, Books, Newspapers, etc...
They didn't like the way Red Mitchell was playing on Torrorow is the Question, so Ornette and Cherry went to the Black Hawk where Percy Heath was playing with the MJQ. Lewis let them sit in, and flipped out over OC and DC, and they got Percy for the album. Lewis recommended them to Ertegun for Atlantic. Kenny Clarke told Loren Schoenberg that he left the MJQ, because "John Lewis hated Jazz" -
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Album Covers with or inspired by Edward Hopper Paintings
optatio replied to soulpope's topic in Miscellaneous Music
Howard Shore / Ornette Coleman / London Philharmonic Orchestra – Naked Lunch (Complete Original Soundtrack) ... US 2016 Original Artwork by Rich Kelly -
A rich art dealer is obsessed with paintings of Lenin, and he has made his life's goal to buy every single genuine piece of art that has the figure of Lenin no matter who the artist is or what the cost. After decades of searching and buying, he is proud to say he has in his vault every single art item picturing Lenin apart from one, a painting called “Lenin in Paris” from an insignificant Soviet artist contemporary to Lenin, that was lost a little time after Lenin’s death. His passion is so wild that he turns the whole world upsidedown to find the valuable painting; and he does, in a small village in Siberia. He sends his people to buy the painting no matter what the cost. He sends an insane amount to the owner, and travels to the village to take the painting back to his home himself. He enters the villagers house, and asks with impatience, “Where is it? Where is it?” The villager shows him a covered painting which he carefully uncovers in order to admire the masterpiece. The painting shows a black gentleman in flagrante delicto with a blonde lady. Baffled, he asks the villager “What is this? Who is this woman?” The villager responds, “Ah, that is Lenin’s wife.” “WHAT? And where is Lenin?” “In Paris.”
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2024 @CFL hot stove league
GA Russell replied to GA Russell's topic in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
Michael Domagala has signed with the Redblacks. https://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/18/redblacks-sign-national-k-michael-domagala/ https://3downnation.com/2024/05/18/ottawa-redblacks-sign-canadian-kicker-michael-domagala-release-one/ -
"Leonard Bernstein Edition" Sony cd box sets for sale
jazzbo replied to jazzbo's topic in Offering and Looking For...
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Alfredo "Chocolate" Armenteros "Chocolate En Guajira" (Caiman Records) 1983 .... a perfect showcase for the trumpet star ..... and Mariano Rivera on baritonsax shines too ....
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Obscure or Underrated Bassists
Peter Friedman replied to Stevie Mclean's topic in Miscellaneous Music
Herman Wright Ray McKinney Both from Detroit and less well known than their colleagues Paul Chambers and Doug Watkins -
What Classical Music Are You Listening To?
mjzee replied to StarThrower's topic in Classical Discussion
Kurt Masur - The Complete Warner Classics Edition, disc 52. -
Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers “Meet You at the Jazz Corner of the World Volume 2” Blue Note Japan 24 Bit by RVG lp facsimile cd
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What Classical Music Are You Listening To?
Peter Friedman replied to StarThrower's topic in Classical Discussion
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