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Hello Friends ! I don´t know where to post this. Once there was a topic "Miles Davis Bootleg Series" with a lot of previously unissued material like the "Lost Quintet" etc. Few Days ago I heard on youtube the great Miles from 1974 at Sao Paolo and I think it is some of the best things Miles did in that very dense and exiting period, together with Liebman, M´tume, Foster, and so on. How much would I like to hear this on CD. I wonder why it was not issued yet, since I think it´s some of the greatest Miles of the ´70´s . Until I finally will have this, my favourite remains "Dark Magus". I heard that band live it was my first jazz concert, it all started there, and with Mingus of course......

Some of the hottest guys of the NY scene, that´s sure !

Lucky Thompson ? I think he had a quite interrupted career, in the 40´s he was very much in demand with Billy Eckstine and all the bop groups, from the 50´s I only know his solos on Miles Davis "Walkin" and it seems that in the early 60´s he was "everywhere" in Paris, playing among others with Bud Powell.... Gilmore was one of the best of the saxophonists somewhat lesser known than Trane and Newks and so on. I saw him only with Sun Ra where he was fantastic, and heard records with sessions with him like "A Blowing Session". CHUCK MANGIONE AND KEITH JARRETT with Blakey ? I might listen how this sounds. I know Mangione only from his "Children of Sanchéz" which I really liked, and I liked Keith Jarrett from the earlier things with Lloyd and above all the tenure with Miles Davis, his playing Fender Rhodes and Yamaha Organ at the same time was magic. How might it have sounded, them together with the Messengers. How did they change the messengers sound? I have heard there were also sessions where the Messengers played with electric piano ? It seems that the period after Hubbard and Morgan is not well known or well documentated, the only better known activity of Blakey until his contract with Timeless Records was "Giant´s of Jazz".

It´s a great record ! Too bad that Leo Parker didn´t live longer, I think this was his last album.

Reminds me of the great Austrian caricature artist Manfred Deix: When there was a point wether the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra would admit women as musicians, since it was mens only orchestra, he made a caricature and wrote "Der Mann spielt gern Bratsche, für´s Weib gibt´s die Watsche" 😲

Very interesting. Yes I know about the Hannibal books, but never bought any, since I did have the original versions. About jazztalk in German language, when went to school and was the youngest of a gang of jazz lovers and musicians, the unsual kind of German being talked here in Vienna was Viennese slang. I think there was two kinds of Viennese slang, one more the workman´s type, and one more the "hipsters" kind of slang. If someone played a good solo, you might say: Des woa UR-LEIWAND des solo was´d do gspüüt host. Try to translate the word "Leiwand" . If something was good it was "leiwand", and if it was weak, it was "oasch" . And one of the first things an older, longhaired jazzfreak said to me when I was still almost a kid was "Heast Burle, hoost ´leicht aa scho die Fil-les de Killi-Mann-Tscharo ? " You have to pronounce the litera "L" in the Viennese way..... das Wiener "L"..... Really sounds funny, it sounds more like commenting sport. I remember if there is a smaller town and the one who writes for the local press about a concert a jazz group does there "wie viele Solos haben Sie gemacht, können Sie uns eine Zahl nennen", or they translate be bop as "Zweierbob" .... I did read that in Jazz Podium....

I must say the Dave Liebman later records are quite hard to find. I have one which is only a trio, Dave with Hamid Drake and Frank Gambale and it is one of the greatests, it´s like a smaller instrumentation of music similar to "Drum Ode", which is one of my favourite 1970 albums of all kinds of jazz. I don´t remember having heard Liebman play often standards, I heard him play once "Milestones" and once "Well You Needn´t but what I like most from him is his typical post Coltrane sound without copying Trane. And the stuff he did with Miles. I have heard there is an album which is a newer one and has "Ife" on it, but it is only digital, and I´d need CD,

You are right. That´s why I prefer to make announcements on gigs in English and it´s also easier for me to write about music in english, you can see it on my website.

I always like live records. I´m not really an audiophile and couldn´t be with a lot of hearing lost after decades of playing, but on live records you hear it like if it´s played live, and you hear the drums better than on many studio records.

Yes, for me as a teenager then it was good reading, to learn a bit english, those books and linernotes, that´s why I couldn´t survive in everyday´s live english, only in music talk , I can make stage announcements and even here in Austria I make them in english because in german it sound´s somehow corny 😄

Liebman is one of my very favourites ! I don´t have this one. Is this more traditional stuff, Ellington and so ? I heard Shelly Manne´s drumming very very well last night when I spinned a Wardell Gray live album where he is the drummer. I had not heard more than his name before or seen his picture, but what he is doin on that Wardell Gray album is great, loud like I love it, loud, quick and everything, just the way I like to hear the drums. I must admit that I almost dare to say I listened more to the drums than to the horns.....

Oh yeah, I have this and think I had bought it in the mid 70´s . It was great reading, though I like books with more written stuff about the music better. And the one chapter with a drug night in Brussel could have missed. This is pure fiction I think. The fiction of the talk between Bird and Dean Benedetti could have happened that way, that´s true......

Oh he was a wonderful drummer. I know him from record only from the Steeplecheese sessions of Dex in Denmark, there are many of them but I think I have "Cheesecake" and "I Want More" or so, and it´s a very good drumming and you can HEAR it. I like Dexter´s announcements, when he says "our trommelschlager: Alex.......Reeeeeeeeeeel ! REALLY !" 😃

Wonderful collection !

This was a key element in my earliest musical impressions. One of the best Miles albums from the acoustic era. I heard those versions of "Valentine" and "All Blues" first and only years later I heard KOB and was disappointed because it sounded to "polished" to me. And I think that this version of Funny Valentine is the only one that I like. Sure it might be a nice tune but I have avoided to play it since 50 years, cannot even say why

Fine photo, even if Bud is not shown on it. But such a personnel, Bud with Miles and Konitz and Blakey must have been a gas, anyway I like Bud most when he ist together with horn players and a strong drummer. As for example Bud with Miles at Carnegie Hall, or Bud with Konitz on a broadcast I think from Leonard Feather, which had also J.J. Johnson, Budd Johnson, Little Benny Harris and Max Roach.......

I see, but as much as I like so much stuff, I just can´t listen to it in the morning. I´m a night type of guy and when I get up I need a breath of fresh air, some motion , then a coffee, a slice of butter-cake , a cigarette and absolute silence. I get more active in the evening...... And at home I listen to music with headphones, since I need it loud and my wife would here it even if she goes into one of the rooms downstairs. Now I can spin it the way I need to hear it full and don´t disturb her with "my stuff". 😄

I don´t know about classical music, but I think me and my wife was some years ago at a place heard some stuff by Mahler, and in that place there was only classical music in the shelves and when it was spinned that kind of Mozard or Bach it sounded more boring for our ears, but that somebody spinned a stuff called Mahler and imediatly it attracted our attention as some music that is much more interesting for our ears. It sounded like if Mahler was the "Charles Mingus" of classical music, while the before mentioned composers where the "Oscar Peterson´s and Errol Garner´s" or worse still "Dave Brubeck´s" of classical music. I think there was another guy who was strong, I never heard him, but one of my youth fellows who played percussion told me that "he had heard Bruckner" and said that "Bruckner was the ultimate Rocker of his time, because he just did it, he didn´t give a shit for conventional things.,,,,," I had told that my fatha and he said, it sounds funny what your friend said, but there is some truth in it....

Glad to hear that. And I like your musical tastes, it is more demanding music. I like straight ahead as well and have to play some of it to make money, but I had heard the kind of "jazz" that I can´t play, before I started to perform ( I mean pianoless "new thing" stuff, let´s say 2 horns, bass and drums, or just a trio of horn, bass and drums) so I was not so much receptive for the typical 50´s mainstream many folks like to hear,,,,,

Is it possible that this is a posthum-re-issue, because as I noticed, the original BN-albums of Jackie McLean always had that typical BN cover art, mosty photos of the musicians as cover photo. I even think I don´t know the tunes on this here. Once in the late 80´s I bought a strange "BN" album of McLean titled "Tippin´the Scales" but it didn´t look like a classic BN album, and I was disappointed by the content, because though it was from the eary 60´s it sounded older. I love Jackie McLean mostly for what he did on BN on stuff like "Let Freedom Ring", "One Step Beyond", "Destination Out" and "Devil Dance", those was the albums I liked mostly.

Very interesting. I have also a double LP on which Sun Ra plays only organ (I think the title is Unity or so, it´s a Horo record). Sun Ra has some solo features on old standards like "Yesterdays", "Penthouse Serenade" and so on, and it´s fantastic, I like it more than Jimmy Smith.

This is a pure bebop session, the long title tune is based on "Idaho" and an ideal playing vehicle for all those great soloists. Mike Brecker in the best Coltrane tradition, Lee Konitz very very fine, Charles McPherson, and wonderful Jack Walrath on trumpet, very very much Fats Navarro influenced. Strange the combination of Mingus constant pianist Neloms on acoustic piano and Ken Werner on Fender Rhodes. never heard something like that. From the bassists, I think I like George Mraz better. Eddie Gomez was a wonderful bassist, but if it comes to solos, it sounds like exercises, sorry. One downer is that the ensemble parts are not very together and the mix is a mess. The solos are very fine recorded, but not the ensemble playing. The ballad Farwell Farwell is wonderful, a typical Mingus ballad which he also still recorded two months earlier on his last recording as a bassist. I like the tempo. Some players do ballads at too slow pace, this is a fine slow fox tempo. Ricky Ford and Lee Konitz and Larry Coryell are wonderful on it.

Yeah I have it since I was a teenager. The 2 BN´s . But as a drummer/percussionist you sure will agree with me, that the drum sound is sub zero on that. Can´t enjoy it very much that way.....

My LP cover is really old and looks like that, when it was purchased so 50 years ago, when I was a teenager. As late as in the second decade of the 2000 when Pharoah Sanders played for the last time in Vienna, I had the LP with me hoping to get to Mr. Sanders if he would like to sign it for me, but I was to shy and thought he doesn´t look like a man who will meet a fan. Too bad, later I heard he sure would have done it. But on the other hand, I´m a musician and signed albums does not mean so much to me, it´s the music that counts. Especially in my early days of listening to jazz I was very very much in the stuff of Dolphy, Coleman, Cherry, Sun Ra, late Coltrane and of course Pharoah Sanders. I heard that stuff before I heard Bird on records......