Jim R

"Apple iPad music upload problems"... After further thought... upload "problems"? Is the idea of synching obsolete now? I forget what the iPad with the largest capacity will hold, but for us music obsessives, wouldn't we just bring an iPod (or two) when we travel anyway? I think I'm confused.

I don't know that I'll need an iPad anytime soon, but its functionality as a music player seems like a very minor decision point. I watched the keynote address, and thought the thing was pretty impressive. The whole "cloud" thing leaves me cold, and the idea of paying to listen you "your" music via a subscription is borderline ludicrous to me. "...to move your trusty old music collection onto this wonder gadget and take it with you to work, or on vacation, you’ll have to pull out a U.S.B. sync cable, plug the device into your PC and transfer those music files over." Oh, the horror?

Seeing this thread reminded me of this bit of fun... Bill Kirchen / part 1 Bill Kirchen / part 2 If you enjoy this, there are about a dozen other performances of it (different dates, locations, personnel, etc) by Bill on Youtube.

I tend to agree, although I admired, enjoyed, and respected both. I think the issue for me was the way they gradually declined. I his later years, Allen seemed to me to be hipper in his own mind than he really was; and Carson's last years on the Tonight Show were sometimes uncomfortable for me to watch (outdated jokes, sexism... trying too hard to hold onto what had worked for him 20-30 years prior). But again, I have many good memories of both that leave me feeling mostly positive about both.

What she said! :party: Wow... I need to pay more attention around here.

Actually... I think you're still confused. "Bones For Jones" was one of the tracks on the original Clifford Brown 10" LP (PJ-19), and was recorded in 1954. "Bones For Zoot" and "Brushes" are separate takes of the same tune (recorded in 1959); and Bock added "Bones For Zoot" to the 1960 reissue of the Brown material ("Jazz Immortal", PJ-3).

Well, after a little more research, I can add a bit more info to this puzzle. The information I had (and posted above) with regard to PJ1214 appears to have been incorrect. The LP price guide that I have (generally an excellent source for basic LP data), as well as an extensive online Pacific Jazz labelography (here: http://www.bsnpubs.com/la/worldpacific/pacificjazz.html ) lists PJ3 (1960) as a "reissue" of PJ1214. This is only partly accurate. PJ1214 was not (as listed in my LP guide) titled Clifford Brown / "Jazz Immortal". Although it contained 5 tracks from the 1954 (PJ19) session, it also contained a Bob Gordon quintet session (taking up all of side 1). The album was titled "Arranged By Montrose". Not only that, but the PJ labelography I linked above was incorrect concerning the track listings. "Bones For Zoot" was NOT on PJ1214.

Actually, no. They are both the same blues exercise with almost the same arrangement, but they are separate takes. Of course, if there was a "Bones For Zoot" on PJ 1214, it would have to have been recorded earlier than the one that was released on PJ 3 (the 1959 recording on this Ross CD). That seems unlikely, but I suppose it's possible. (error corrected; see below)

Well, I found a copy of this, and was just checking it out. First of all, Cuscuna says this in the notes: "With Jim Hall present, there is a superb "Bones For Zoot" that was put on the 12" lp on Pacific Jazz by Clifford Brown without proper personnel credit or recording data... ...and 'Brushes' was an aptly named feature for the great and tasteful Mel Lewis" It's also stated on the booklet that this recording of "Bones For Zoot" first appeared on PJ3 (the second 12" reissue of Brown's "Jazz Immortal", which came out in 1960). As I said above, some version of "Bones For Zoot" also appeared (according to some sources) on PJ1214- the original 1956 12" release of "Jazz Immortal". So, that might conflict with the info Cuscuna presents in this Ross CD release. Maybe somebody here has PJ1214, or can locate a scan of the back cover...? (error corrected; see below) On this Ross CD, the running time for "Bones For Zoot" is 4:24, while "Brushes" is 5:40, so they're not identical recordings, however they're basically two takes of the exact same blues exercise. The main difference seems to be a much longer drum solo on the latter. The personnel listed for these tracks on the CD is the same as the 1959 data listed above by Lord. Annie Ross did not participate.

1959 may be the release date of one of the later issues with that track - I doubt there was a second recording. Michael Cuscuna would have tried to find it if is mentioned in the more reliable sources. I believe all available takes are on the Annie Ross CD. Bones For Zoot only made it to the 12" LP of the Clifford sessions because the playing time - 26 minutes - was much too short even for Pacific Jazz standards. Richard Bock chose that track as it shares some of the personnel. That's it. I understand and agree with all of that. It's just glaring to me that a discographer (Lord) whose name is often dropped around here as a good source of discographical information would be this careless. Even if he was working from bad info, it's clear that there are errors there when you look closely. Pretty lazy work.

I have the original 10" LP, PJ19 (Clifford Brown Ensemble), which includes the tune "Bones For Jones", but does not include "Bones For Zoot". I see that more than one online discography has made this error (listing it as having been on PJ19), but I wouldn't have expected a serious discographer like Lord to have made the same error. The song appeared on the original expanded 12" reissues of PJ19... PJ1214 (1956) (corrected error, see below for details) and PJ3 (1960), and also on PJS20139 (1968 ?). According to the Lord data you posted (where exactly did you get it?), both a 1954 AND a 1959 recording of the song appears on the 20139 LP release, which makes absolutely no sense at all. Maybe somebody else with a more reliable discographical source can clear this up completely.

I don't think that works. I think it only works if you don't have artwork already there. If you do, I don't think the new artwork will overwrite the old artwork. Yup, if you do #1, it will kill the old artwork. Doing #2 won't kill the old artwork tho - it just adds to it. Believe me, I'm adding new artwork over old many times each day. There are all kinds of other tricks that you can do: One of which: if you have a front cover and a back cover picture, then do #1 and place the back cover picture in the box first, then the front cover picture just after and your front cover actually shows up in the main window with your back cover just a click away. Okay, that I did not know. Can you elaborate? I just tried it (pasting in a back cover and then immediately afterward a front cover), and I'm not seeing how to access the back cover image (if in fact it worked... I did it for an album that I had already entered art for several days ago, so when I pasted in the front cover, it didn't show in the art box- as if it was already there). When you say the back cover is "a click away", I'm not sure what you mean... click on what? edit: okay, I get the "a click away" part now (clicking on the highlighted arrow in the lower left corner for the selected item, for those who may be following along). I dragged the rear cover to the lower left corner after re-entering the front cover art in the art box in the "multiple item information" window. Still not sure how to add both using that method, though...

Oh, that'll happen all the time. iTunes tries to match the album with the correct artwork, but frequently gets it wrong. Here's what you have to do if an album shows the wrong artwork: 1) Try to find the correct artwork. I like Amazon (especially Amazon mp3, which seems to have newer cover scans than the CD music area). Amazon images are often too small, imo. I usually begin with a Google image search, and look for a nice image at least 300 X 300. Another great resource is this, which someone shared here a number of years ago: http://www.slothradio.com/covers/ (one tip: don't use any quotation marks or apostrophes in the search boxes, or you won't get any results). If I still haven't found something good, I'll search ebay (or Popsike, which collects images from past auctions), or use one of the sites dedicated to displaying album art (Gokudo, Birka Jazz, etc). As Rod points out, that's way more work than is necessary. For any field related to a given album (artist, sort artist, title, etc), you can change the info by first selecting all tracks and then hitting Command/I. Doesn't matter if you're making a change or entering the data for the first time.

I have eight versions, and I had always noticed that when entering track info into my database. I think I had seen "Tricotism" many times before I encountered "Tricrotism", which had me leaning toward the former. The evidence seems to be piling up the other way, but the Lucky Thompson CD cover is indeed puzzling.

Just give me a few healthy whippets, and one guy who is really good at throwing frisbees.

None of this worries me in the least. I've seen every Super Bowl telecast (not to mention a few NFL championship games before that), but I only watch the game (and some of the ads). I haven't watched the pre-game show in many years (and I try to avoid hearing the annual butchering of out national anthem); but the thing I'm most careful to make sure I miss completely are the halftime shows.

I do now. Thanks for the warning.

I almost never use playlists, but I'm always curious to read about how others go about using iTunes and iPods. After reading this thread, another idea occurs to me. If Marty wanted to keep track of which music files belonged in different playlists (in case of another problem like the one he's encountered), couldn't he just use the playlist names as tags? Such as... 1. Open an existing playlist in iTunes 2. Go to "Edit" and choose "Select All" (or use the Command-A keyboard shortcut) 3. Go to "File" and "Get Info" (Command-I) 4. Choose an unused field (such as "Grouping" or "Comments" in the Info window; or, click on "Sorting" and choose an unused field there, such as "Sort Album"). Enter the name of your playlist (choose a specific name that is unlikely to turn up anywhere else in iTunes). If the playlists ever disappear again, type the name of any playlist into the search box and all the tracks should come up. The only catch is that you might need to save the names of your playlists someplace in case you forget them. Or, if you did forget a name, you could just search for any track that you know belongs in that playlist, "Get Info", and find the field where you entered the playlist name. If you were to include the field you chose for entering the playlist names ("Grouping", for example) in your "View Options" (found in the "View" menu; or Command-J), then you'll be able to see which files are associated with each playlist at any given time, and you could sort them accordingly by clicking on that heading.

Hey Bill, now that the thread is back up, maybe it's a good time to make that correction on the Flanagan track before we both forget about it again. I know you want to edit the Puente info also, but the Flanagan track is in a different post, and the edit should only take a minute. Just a thought.

I think I'm a "both" person (a type a/b) also. Maybe a/B, because once I heard the recordings of Jimmy Smith, Miles, Bird, Monk (etc) in the 70's, I pretty much put The Crusaders, George Benson, Return To Forever, etc on the back burner for a LONG time. I still love the Crusaders, though (and their incarnation as The Jazz Crusaders, which I discovered later).

I am dying to hear this version of "Shine" ! Has it worked for anyone??? see the link in my first post, i.e. http://www.radiocampusparis.org/?p=5196 there's a play button at the bottom of the page and Shine is around 1:09 to 1:20 works for me and it's gorgeous - now i really like to hear the rest... (and i'd really be interested in your guess of the trumpet player...) Thank you Niko, but I still am not seeing this "play button"; when I click on "Shine" the page will not load and times out. Is this the page I need to hear it? Thanks VERY much! this is the right page, for me the play button is at the bottom of the page between that charlie parker entry "(batterie)" and "Jimmy Gourley Retrospective"; there you can play the whole show and around 1:09 the ronnie singer track begins Well, I finally broke the code. I was looking all over for the a link that worked (the lemerle.fr links don't seem to work at all). Finally, I tried the embedded (flash?) audio player near the bottom of the http://www.radiocampusparis.org/?p=5196 page. I guess I should have tried it sooner, but due to its location, I had thought that it was just Bird playing "Another Hair-Do" (it should have been labeled to indicate that it contains every recording on the page, right?). "batterie" is not the "Charlie Parker entry", it is of course the term indicating that Max Roach was at the drums on the Bird track. But what really threw me was the "Jimmy Gourley Retrospective" reference. That label is found at the top of the page as well as the bottom, since it's the theme of the entire group of material. I was looking for a specific recording link associated with that term. At any rate, for anybody who has had or may have trouble finding the music, just look toward the bottom and click on the unlabeled audio player immediately following "Max Roach (batterie)". Then, as Larry pointed out, scan forward to the 1 hr 9 min mark. Maybe it was just me. Listening to Singer's fluid lines and authoritative tone, it really is sad that he didn't live long enough to become better known and develop his style and reputation. I'm quite sure I had heard or seen his name come up many years ago, but I don't recall ever reading much about him. Now I see why at the very least he still is not completely forgotten after all these years. Really an impressive player. Somewhere in my stacks of guitar literature, I have a feeling I may have more information on this guy. The challenge will be locating something, as it will likely be a brief reference in an article or interview devoted to someone else. Thanks for providing this little window into the past.