mikeweil

Thanks for sharing your memories! Keep 'em comin'!

Better not - that I didn't even consider there may be board members starting jazz in the post-LP era shows my age! Or we start as "first CD" thread

German TV broadcast Herbie's performance on the Berlin Jazz Festival several years ago, with Buster and Tony Williams, and Herbie and Tony played very long rhythmic phrases in unison, like they were readin' each other's minds - terrific! Wish that was on DVD! The German stations have hundreds of treasures like this in the vaults!

He did two for the label, Bagpipe Blues and A Tribute To Courage. I had the former but sold it, he had his personal sound on sax, but was not an A-Grade player. The bagpipe pieces (he plays tenor, soprano and bagpipes on a third each of the tracks) are interesting, but a little too much for repeated listening.

Au Privave, yes, that's the name ...

Now here's the text file I wrote while listening to this very very interesting disc (thanks a lot, John, lots of new stuff again - if it continues like this, we will save the record industry!) # 1: Nice overture for the test! The way the piece is composed, the fact that is has no solos makes me think it was for a motion picture, but I don't have too much film music. Trumpet sounds a little like K.D. to these ears. Would like to hear more of it, especially if it uses the flute and bass clarinet (?) that effectively. # 2: I'm pretty sure this is from (AMG link), the brothers band. Have to get this before it's too late .... # 3: Bingo! Now here is an exemplary tenor saxophone player (2 nd tenor solo) that I missed in the previous BT, and a very sharp baritone. Had this LP, still have to get the reissue, like it very much, but would have chosen a different track. Could say a lot about this and the bands of # 2 and 3, but I'll wait until later on. Can't wait to read Jsngry's comment on # 3 ... # 4: I'm afraid this is the first of a series of European bands you either know or don't. Trombone reminds me of late 1960's Albert Mangelsdorff, but the saxists do not sound like those I heard play with him. I never bought any of his records because I lived near his hometown and could have seen him live every month. Trombone player is nice, but the others don't do too much for me, bassist sounds too much out of tune to me, drummer is uninspiring. # 5: Very interesting, both saxists play with very much feeling in a personal style, but I have no idea who this is, like the rhythm better than on # 4. # 6: My man ........ I liked the sound of an 1980's LP reissue of this session better, was not as bright and mellower in sound. ***** # 7: Oh, I'm too lazy to look up what Parker tune this is ... That trombone player sure swings. Was surprised when they did Monk's Straight No Chaser after his chorus. I'm sure I have something of this tenor player .... The drummer is great, he and the soloists interact a lot, and he has a lot of phrases to chose from, stirs it up from beginning to end. The high not trumpeter was a little sloppy. No idea what band this is, but I'd like to know. Interesting arrangement, but not quite top-notch IMHO. John hates piano players! Haven't heard any so far ... # 8: Don't like the bassist's intonation on that one, would have liked to hear the tenor elaborate some more, this leaves me a little dissatisfied. # 9: Bassist uses some effect. There were many German band using rock or funk rhythms that way. It's nice the drummer sticks to the groove that much, but I've heard others play more interesting variations, he could have interacted more with the bassist. That sax player is nice, has heard his Steve Lacy - again I have no idea who this is. # 10: I'm kind of prejudiced against that type of music, I probably heard too many groups like this when I started playing music, and their groove never convinced me like the black bands I knew. Can't stand that electric bass sound, slightly out of tune ... Singer is nice, has a good feeling for the beat, better than the horns. I've probably seen some of these live, especially the trumpet player sounds familiar. Now whoever shakes that tambourine, take it away, please! - I'm really prejudiced - use a sexy girl singer and some soul beat, to make the audience listen to the free jazz solos they'd rather play all the time. Don't want to completely diss this, but I never liked that type of thing. # 11: Now that groove sounds more convincing to me, some weirdo tango. It has the humor I missed in the previous track. Now who's this. Still no piano player! # 12: Is that Benny Bailey on trumpet? If not, it is someone else I've heard often. The more I listen to this, the more it grows on me. Good soloists. Nice theme, a nice combination of bebop and more advanced stuff. Would like to hear more of this band. # 13: The mood of this reminds me of "My People" on Stanley Cowell's Strata East LP, Regeneration. Now if they would only play in tune with each other in the theme. The flute player wails a little too much for me, the soprano cat gets the ideas across better for my taste. Like the Hadley Caliman track, Disc 2 # 1 in the 4th BT, this brings a standard tune to mind, can't recall the title right now, but goes off in a different direction. They could have done this more consequently, the flutist's toying around spoils it for me, otherwise the idea and mood of this is very nice. On the other hand, I like it is not as spacey as some ECM discs. # 14: Don't ask me now for this! (Fantastic album by one the true originals of all of jazz, BTW!) ***** # 15: Lover Man. Very beautiful solo rendition, this is the high point of the disc for me. I bet I'll slap my forehead when I read who this is! This gets a special place in the hall of fame of unaccompanied sax solos. You couldn't have found a better closer! ***** (Sorry that's it's over - where's the 2nd CD? )

I guess so. Considering that this singer is so much out of tune it must an amateur. Verna Gillis was great producer of concerts and records, many with ethnic music.

The reviews of his book at amazon.com confirm this.

Didn't he write a book on jazz singers? Perhaps there's something in there.

I see the day coming when the only link working on their homepage is to their Norah Jones direct sales page.

Do you remember the first Jazz piece(s) you ever consciously listened too, and at what occasion, under which circumstances. Mine were a few EPs from my brother's collection, or rather his wife to be, who worked in a record shop for some time: The Modern Jazz Quartet (Prestige, the Vendome session) Lionel Hampton Trio (with Billy Mackel, Vogue, This Is Always and September In The Rain) some Dixie band I do not recall. Must have been in the late 1960's. Then at an otherwise disastrous students' party, Coltrane's Equinox.

Do you remember the first jazz LP you ever bought, or two, or three, and perhaps when? My first: a mono copy of the Modern Jazz Quartet's European Concert, Vol. 1 dtto. mono of Do The Bossa Nova With Herbie Mann some European issue of Cannonball's Bossa Nova Must have been between 1970 and 1972.

Anybody bother to ask how many are left?

The Vocalese Page

If that gives you some consolation, Hendricks did one of Louis' solos later on, if my memory serves me right.

Well, Ira Gitler wrote in the liner notes to Prestige 7828 that Jefferson concocted his lyrics to Coleman Hawkins' "Body and Soul" as early as 1940 .....

Dave Lambert and Buddy Stewart did some things a little earlier, with Gene Krupa's orchestra, but it was scatting or lyrics to their own themes.

I doubt this. Maybe to a theme written before, but not to an improvised solo. Some German jazz scholar wrote his doctoral dissertation on this subject, I'm sure he would have located any predecessor. Jon Hendricks always quoted King Pleasure and Eddie Jefferson for vocalese pioneers, and Leo Watson for scat (besides Satchmo, of course).

Correct, that would make him the first, but it was not issued at the time, it seems. Matrix numbers have the prefix "hl", was that for the Hi-Lo label? There is a Jefferson session from July 1952 for Hi-Lo later bought by Savoy.

... for which Eddie Jefferson wrote lyrics to tenor saxman James Moody's 1949 improvisation on the standard "I'm in the Mood for Love." This is in dispute among vocalese specialists. Jefferson didn't really claim the lyrics for himself, he wrote another set of lyrics later on, and the topic and choice of words is more like King Pleasure. We'll probably never know. The story about Annie Ross being in the choir for the first attempt to record "Sing a Song of Basie" is correct. The complete story is in the booklet to the excellent Verve reissue of this LP, which as a bonus includes Hendricks' and Lambert's first joint effort, their take on "Four Brothers" from May 1955. Jefferson own first vocalese tracks were recorded for Prestige in February 1953, so chronologically, King Pleasure was the first.

This is my favourite Bartz, along with his playing on the Cosmos sessions. Plenty of fire and great intensity - he was great in Roy Hargorove's Crisol project. Back then when it was new, I played one of the Harlem Bush Music LPs to groove exhaustion!

Now why don't they put that one out? Are they afraid of paying royalties?