mikeweil

The Peacocks is very beautiful and was substantial in gaining the underrated Rowles some more attention at the right time, but was produced independent of the Renaud produced recordings, in the "Stan Getz Presents" series. Other than this and four trio tracks of Rowles' "Impressions of the Miles Davis Nonet" for the "I Remember Bebop" twofer anthologies, Columbia did not deliver, contrary to Rowles, who always DID deliver. BTW, the two CDs of the "I Remember Bebop" series Renaud produced were an improvement over the Columbia twofer LPs, as they included one unissued track from each pianist and collected complete sessions on one disc. Regrettably I was only able to get Vol. 2 with Rowles, Walter Bishop Jr., Barry Harris and Tommy Flanagan, anybody here have Vol.1? If I remember correctly it had Duke Jordan and John Lewis on it. To go back to the initial question of this thread, I think it will be hard to list all of the CDs issued in the Jazz Originals series: they did not have their own numerical series but were part of CBS' (Columbia Europe's) numbering system, some you can only recognize when you see the booklet front page. But as most of them were straight reissues of US LPs, I think the ones to search out are those not issued elsewhere or complied especially for it, like the Rowles, Jamal, and Bebop anthologies I mentioned. I could post discographical details if so desired.

Amazon France has it! This issue is in LP order with the two bonus tracks at the end; the Atlantic CD was in session order.

The Atlantic CD had two bonus tracks, Now's The Time & Yardbird Suite, 11 tracks in all. AFAIK this is all that was recorded.

The track order of Swiss Movement is more difficult than I thought - maybe the video would help, but as I said I couldn't get it: Wanted to order it from Rhino but they said they couldn't ship to Europe! The matrix numbers don't help, they have the Tracks in LP order: 1. Compared to what 2. Cold Duck Time 3. Kathleen's Theme 4. You got it in your soulness 5. The generation gap 6. Kaftan (first released on the 1996 CD edition) At the end of track 4 Les McCann can be heard saying "Cold Duck Time" in an otherwise muddled discussion. This is track 2, seguing into 3 without edit. So tracks 4, 2, 3 must have been performed in that order. After 1, McCann introduces the personnel, sounds like a closing number. McCann certainly wouldn't have done a vocal number as an opener, and this track is somewhat the high point of the set. 5 could well be the encore. This leaves Kaftan in between, so I'd suggest performance order was: 1. You got it in your soulness 2. Cold Duck Time 3. Kathleen's Theme 4. Kaftan 5. Compared to What 6. The Generation Gap This sounds reasonable to me when programmed. Any other suggestions?

My favourite is probably the Hill, not only because its contents are not yet on CD: I play this the most often! Liked the Elvin Jones a lot, before it was on CD, and the Tyner, although this has very muffled sound.

I'm afraid they go back to their older master tapes and do not make new transfers from the orgininal tapes. The French BMG branch issued its Rollins box independently from the US box, it seems to me. I avoided the French reissue of The Bridge because it sounded just like the box set issue, whereas the new US Bluebird first editions CD sounds magnificent!!! But I had to order that from a US mail order shop, they do not distribute it in Europe 'cause they wanna sell their own pressing!

... but not any farther, I'm afraid. Did you post this on AAJ as well?

Take your time Jim - I hate records or gigs where the uptempo numbers are in the majority ... B)

so this is the thread to post anything that doesn't fit anywhere else?

If it is the Fred Jackson who did the Blue Note sessions, post discographical details, please.

... a big hand for another exhilarating powerful set of the incomparable organissimo all stars, starring ..... you know who

Yes, they always used the last LP issue master tapes, in case of the Monk Lincoln Center Big Band concert that meant edited tracks, in the case of the Ahmad Jamal trio it meant reverb. The Legacy reissues all sound better - I sold my French CDs as soon as there was a Legacy reissue. But the series was probably the best Renaud could coax out of the limited budget for jazz reissues SONY France gave him. The high points to me are the three Jimmy Rowles CDs: - Jimmy Rowles In Paris (unissued solo piano material from 1980 never issued elsewhere, very relaxed with the most subtle timing I ever heard from a solo pianist) - Jimmy Rowles Plays Duke Ellington and Billy Strayhorn (reissue of a rare US LP, solo piano from 1981) - Profile: The Music of Henri Renaud (solos duets with Michael Moore of Renaud compositions from 1981, it seems this 1993 CD was the first and only issue)

The monaural takes of Four and 52nd Street Theme are not in the box set!

I have the Stitt plays Bird in its Atlantic reincarnation. A marvellous disc! I love the combination of Hall, Lewis and Richard Davis. And Kay fits in well, too (often for my likings he seems to restrained, but here he sounds good to me). Mike: what was the concert order of "Swiss Movement"? That's one of my favorite groove CDs! And related to the Swiss Movement thing: anyone knows (hell yeah, I wish Atlantic/Warner/whatever had a clear reissue policy!) what else has come out as "Souvenir de Montreux"? The only other disc I have is the Kirk ("I, eye, aye"). ubu Connie Kay doesn't sound restrained to me at all, he's cooking it up the way he does, he's not Philly Joe .... he's very relaxed on that session. I once reconstructed an order, it should be visible from the video, but I was unable to get this so far. McCann requests "Cold Duck Time" during the applause at the end of one track. "Compared To What" certainly was not the opener, rather an encore. I've lost my note with the order, I'll have to do it again ... That recording was an impromptu jam session, more or less. The Les McCann trio had played on June 18, Eddie Harris on June 20. The jam session was on June 21, McCann had to fly back in and was late and had most of the music, so there was no rehearsal. Benny Bailey didn't even know it was being recorded! AFAIK only a Les McCann double LP was released from that Atlantic at Montreux evening, but no, this was from 1972, with Rahsaan Roland Kirk sitting in, but not nearly as exciting.

anyone know what this one is like? The down beat critic reviewing it back then started with the words: This record is hot, hot, hot! They have a helluva good time on that record. It took me many years to find. A second hand dealer had and said it was one to keep - and he kept very few records after having practically everything at his disposal at some time or another. A rare chance to hear Christlieb in a straightahead blowing context. There are two pianoless CrissCrossJazz CDs as well.

When are you going to rinse off the cream off that lady's body? And then mutate in to the wildcat?

I'd like to hear the new Miroslav Vitous ECM without Corea, McLaughlin and the three brass players, who were all overdubbed. I'd like to hear the whole Al Kooper / Mike Bloomfield Super Session without the brass, which Kooper did with one track on the last CD reissue - I like the results. Blasphemic as it sounds, I'd like to hear most of the electric Miles stuff, especially the live ones, without Miles - that Cellar Door band e.g. was far more exciting without him ...

Shit happens .... I can't play one of my best paid gigs next year on carnival saturday because it's my 50th birthday and sure I'm having a party that night ... I was dissatisfied with them anyway, let out a little rant and now they all say they need me in the band ! Percussionists are seen as an exotic spice you can always leave off and do traditional cooking. But experience over the years has taught me that for every gig cancelled there is a new one coming up unexpectedly, at least I was lucky in that respect. The Kurdish band I play in, some very nice folk jazz kinda stuff, was supposed to play a gig at a conservatory in a town close by where the leader takes his studies, but he had to cancel since the flutist couldn't make it. He then got a gig that meant driving 400 miles to Berlin to play 45 minutes for 100 EUR each, I cut out because I wouldn't take that strain for so short a gig for this money, two days lost as we would have stayed overnight, but yesterday he told us it was cancelled too and he had a new gig in Frankfurt, 15 miles away for the same money. So it goes. Now imagine what my appointment book looks like ....

I recently ordered two DVDs with Monk documentaries and a Rollins CD not available in Europe from Amazon.com, and after paying EUR 10 for VAT and tax it was still considerably cheaper than buying the DVDs at a European shop. You always should compare prices and shipping and costs and then decide where to order. I even would have paid more when buying these DVDs at ebay Germany!

As I understand it every retailer has to buy Mosaic sets at the same prices as you and I will get them, no reseller prices, which is only fair and consequent. So the high prices (like with the Cole set I just mentioned) are Mosaic's price plus VAT, taxes, postage, and a little margin. It was always cheaper if I ordered them directly from Mosaic, even before I had a credit card. Had to get a check drawn on a US bank, which wasn't cheap, but not as much as these retailers wanted.

The only Mosaic I ever saw in a German retail store was a copy of the Nat King Cole set in a Wiesbaden shop. It sat there for two years, even after it was sold out at Mosaic, 'cause he charged the Mosaic price plus taxes etc. plus a little profit. But when they had a clearance sale due to lack of storage space, offering it at 30% less, it went fast ...

She can be seen watching the Basie Band on the 1957 Sound Of Jazz TV film.

So you finally outed yourself as a latter day incarnation of Socrates, who is quoted to have stated "I know I know nothing". Someday we will discover a series of multiple threads running through all blindfold tests, like # 3 had Dexter Gordon on soprano, # 4 had George Coleman on alto, # 5 had Ronnie Cuber on alto, # 6 had Illinois Jacquet on alto, # 7 had Lester Young on clarinet, # 8 had Jane Ira Bloom on alto, # 9 had Zoot Sims on baritone, # 10 had Buddy de Franco on bass clarinet ...... or consider the clone thread - I'd rather not elaborate

Okay, I did some further research on Blue Note 10" LP 5004, it had the following (all master) takes, the same takes that had been issued on 10" 78 rpm shellac records before (in brackets): 1. BN 304-2 The Chase (BN 541) 2. BN 305-1 The Squirrel (BN 540) 3. BN 306-5 Our Delight (BN 540) 4. BN 307-2 Dameronia (BN 541) These are the complete master takes of the September 26, 1947 session. 5. BN 333-0 Lady Bird (BN 559) This is one of four titles recorded at the September 13, 1948 session. 6. BN 338-B Double Talk (BN 557 in two parts) This is from the October 11, 1948 Howard McGhee session. 7. BN 363-1 52nd Street Theme (BN 1568) This is from the August 8, 1949 Bud Powell session, where Navarro played on 4 of the 6 titles recorded. The issue history of any of these sessions from the 78 rpm era is a rather complictaed affair - and this is why I do not believe in any of these "original issue" philosophies: with every new format, the music was rearranged, so doing this following entirely different criteria for CD or never formats is legitimate. If the order of the first or whatever LP issue is your favourite, it is alright with me, it's a matter of taste, but please don't call it "original". B)

Here's the track listing for Blue Note 10" LP 5004, Fats Navarro Memorial Album: 1. The Chase 2. The Squirrel (Dameron) 3. Our Delight (Dameron) 4. Dameronia (Dameron) 5. Lady Bird (Dameron) 6. Double Talk (Navarro) 7. 52nd Street Theme (Monk) which is an incomplete selection from several sessions, I don't know if these were master or alternate takes, but I guess it was master takes, as this was the first and only 10" LP release of this material on Blue Note. The next issues with additional material were Blue Note LPs 1531 and 1532. This is a very good example to explain the contradictions in the hunt for the "original issue track order" of such material. The first issues were 10" 78" rpm records, so these in A/B order should give the first issue order. All others, 10" LPs, 12" LPs, CDs and whatever is to come, are reissues, so if one looks only for the 12" LP track order it is arbitrary and nostalgic - because most of first heard this music in 12" LP format. In the case of the Miles Davis Blue Note material the 10" LPs were the first issues, with complete sessions (!), whereas the 12" LP reissues had to tear sessions apart and change track order to make it fit to the new format. This is what most collectors seem to forget. 12" LPs of older material always were reissues with often questionable choice of material and track order, sometimes exchanging originally issued takes etc. etc.