Chicago Expat

Oh, man, you've gotta be new to jazz forums. I'm going to explain where you went wrong. It will probably come off as condescending, but really I'm trying to be helpful. 1. It happens so often, it's practically cliche, the approach of making a first post on a forum as some sort of fan of a musician/ensemble, completely unaffiliated with them, and saying something like "you should check these guys out, they're great." This approach screams PR and it doesn't engender much goodwill from the locals. 2. Don't hypothesize anything that might make you come off as not very knowledgeable about jazz. To say that you never hear guitar-vibe combos is one thing, but to follow it up with wondering if Gary Burton has ever played with a guitarist before (answer: he has, like a kajillion). It's okay not to know something. God knows there's plenty about jazz I'm clueless on. But to include it as part of a PR post, I don't know, it comes off as, well, I can't think of the right word, but it's not a flattering one, that's for sure. 3. Most jazz forums are gonna be populated with members who are very sympathetic to the struggling jazz musician. Hell, even the more successful jazz musicians struggule, so someone new on the scene like yourself, it's too be expected. If you want to promote your (or your friend's) album, just pop on the forum, say hi, introduce yourself, talk about your music, and provide a link to a place where you can hear it (and you did that last part for sure; it's nice to be able to stream an album on bandcamp). 4. Overall, if you're going to come onto a forum, any forum, and you're expecting for people to take the time to read and/or listen to your post, be open with why you're there and try to show the same care with your post as you would like listeners/readers to take with it. Ironically, I have heard your album and I like it very much. I'm currently in a very bad place financially, but I do have your bandcamp page bookmarked and intend to scoop Goodbye Daylight up one day. Let your music be your business card. It's pretty good, and despite your clumsy first post on the forum, I do recommend that people give it a listen. It's good stuff. Like I said, I meant well, though if our positions were switched, I can't deny that I'd be tempted to tell me to fuck off and mind my own business, lol. P.S. Speaking of Gary Burton guitar players, Julian Lage has an album out called Gladwell that I haven't been able to listen to in full yet, but what I've heard so far is amazing.

Meh, don't know if I will bother getting any of these. While I'm not particularly excited about these specific titles, I'm glad to see that they are reaching beyond "the usual suspects" for the titles they reissue. Would like to see JHS's 'Higher Ground' and Hubbard's 'Keep Your Soul Together' make it out. +1 on that. I definitely understand a label wanting to reissue albums that made them money and/or prestige in the first place, but I definitely appreciate when they go further back into the closet when they're looking for titles to select.

Kekko Fornarelli - "Room of Mirrors" -Dynamic modern piano trio. Definitely fans of E.S.T. should give this a listen. His myspace gives you a decent listen... Kekko's Myspace page

I've heard one track off the album and found it a pleasant listen. It's on my list to get a full listen to.

Wow, that is pretty juvenile. It reminds me of the old Marvel Comics title "What If?" where one-off stories like "What If Spiderman married the Black Widow" or "What if Thor were a Unitarian from Mars?"... that kind of thing. Just because one tries to ruminate philosophically on a vapid premise, doesn't make the premise any less vapid, nor does it give intellectual credibility to the author. And by the way, can we please stop referring to Vick's return as heroic? Most heroes don't have agents waiting for them outside prison gates with six figure offers in hand. It's no different than a former CFO imprisoned for embezzlement coming out of prison and getting another comfy office with a salary and a window view or a CEO whose company was found guilty of fraud becoming governor of Florida. I feel bad for the former drug addicts who went into prison with nothing and have nothing waiting for them when they get out. And if they make something of themselves, build a new life, hey, then maybe we can start visiting the idea of using the word 'heroic'. But that's just what I think. EDIT: Whoops, sorry, I forgot I was on the NFL thread. I don't mean to derail from that, and if a moderator feels like I've hijacked the thread, you have my blessing to do with my post as you see fit. Cheers.

I think the liner notes say something about it, but I don't have my copy handy. Anyone? There's nothing in the liner notes making a definitive comment one way or the other, but based on other things said in the notes, I would be led to believe that it did get released. Those liner notes are a great read, by the way. George Gruntz doesn't hold back. Between calling the director a womanizer, claiming that Kenny Clarke had trouble playing in 3/4 time, and detailing how the film company released the original soundtrack without telling (or paying) the musicians and how they had to hire a lawyer to sue the production company over it, well, it's one of the better sets of liner notes I've ever encountered. They could serialize it, and I'd read faithfully every week.

Jim Hendry is gone, which, if nothing else, gives reporters yet another opportunity to blame Steve Bartman for the Cubs 2003 collapse. Pathetic.

That is such a misinformed statement. Do you have any idea how much practice goes into coordinating their routine so it looks like they're a single organism throwing two left hooks? Freddie Roach spends months with the U.S. synchronized swim team getting them in fighting shape.

I've always thought that hockey fights were idiocy - the only non boxing sport where fighting is allowed. If you put any hockey fighter in the ring with a good professional boxer, they'd be knocked out within a round. True, but that could be said about most folks, athletes or no. And though hockey players may not be the best fighters out there, you gotta extend some credit that they're fighting with shoes balanced on thin sheaves of steel... on ice. Most people have a hard time walking on ice, much less brawling. And, yes, no sport looks more ridiculous fighting than does basketball. It's the length. It doesn't lend to graceful fighting. Hell, even Mark Breland, one of the most celebrated amateur boxers and a respectable career as a pro, looked awkward as hell in the ring with his tall lanky frame trying to load up haymaker right crosses. It's not easy being tall and also looking cool in a rumble. Just sayin'.

ah...here we go: kingtorn live in nyc...david king & david torn duet Pretty cool. Thanks. It's giving me an appreciation for Torn that the album wasn't able to.

I believe Laurie Pepper (Art's widow) was so infuriated by some labels releasing unauthorized albums of Art's music basically downloaded the music, copied it, then reissued it herself under her own label. I'm sure I'm mangling the facts of the story, but I'm not too far off.

This has been getting stocked in the fridge lately... They have a red velvet cake one, too, but I don't like it as much.

The price increase on ECM titles isn't confined to eMusic. For example, December Poems is now $9.49 on Amazon. Apparently the U.S. downgrade is making those Amazon gift cards a riskier proposition, and Manfred decided to jazz up the price on those albums.

I'm also really enjoying this. The song "Sail Away" is outstanding. The thing about her that I most enjoy is the lack of pretense and drama. She manages to be both subtle and emotional; a wonderful combination. You can stream the album on her website... Vitro website

A couple John Handy's... "Live at Monterey" and "New View" are $1.98 and $2.98 respectively. The Monterey album lists at ten bucks, but allows you to buy both tracks for a buck each. Amazon page for "Live..." Amazon "New View..."

Buyer beware with ECM albums on emusic. Now, tracks that are longer than seven minutes (before it was ten) are now considered album only, and the album pricing on ECMs are now $7.79. For instance, that December Poems ain't $2.94 anymore; it jumped up to $7.79. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a nice deal on a nice album... Cuong Vu - "It's Mostly Residual" NYOP (name your own price) on his Bandcamp page. Bandcamp page Stomu Takeishi - bass Ted Poor - drums Cuong Vu - trumpet/writing Guest - Bill Frisell - guitar Great album.

I have known two women that were molested as children. One is an alcoholic, the other killed herself. Forget him, and see what you can do to help out those that were molested when they were young.... I think we need to be careful here. I can see this being the start of a disturbing thread turning into something even worse. Berigan, I'd up you one on your legal proposition. Once a person is convicted of this type of crime against children, they go to life in prison on the first offense. My feeling is go ahead and rehabilitate behind bars and away from children and stay there. The whole thing makes me viciously ill and angry and I don't have a shred of sympathy for someone who commits these kinds of crimes. But the thing is, there are people on this forum who befriended him and they're gonna have a hard time sorting out their feelings for someone who they considered a friend but now are faced with the awfulness of his actions. That's a friggin' minefield to work through and it usually involves some sentiments of sympathy toward the criminal as a way of reaching out to the "good side" of their friend. It's a pretty human reaction, and I'm sure it will get displayed in posts on this thread if it continues as it has. I think we want to avoid sniping at each other or passing judgments on other peoples' reactions to this as expressed through their posts. Everybody here is going to have to work through this as best they can. I do, however, agree that sympathy should be saved for the victims of the crime. I just don't see any value in engaging someone who directs it elsewhere as they try to work through this thing. My advice is well meant. I hope you take it that way. This whole thing is hard.

If you're old enough to remember when Was (Not Was) very first came out, they brought all kinds of influences to the table & were actually tangentally related to the "no wave" movement of the time, albeit in a significantly more overt R&B-ish way than most other in that orb. Which is just to say that Don Was is not some musical robot programmed to function in the prevailing vacuum. The guy has skills and he's not at all musically illiterate. I think it's unreasonable to expect him to bring in an ongoing stream of small groups into Rudy's on a weekly basis (besides, there's more than a few people making those types of records now, and...really, it's over. At least for me). But I wouldn't automatically expect him to turn out nothing but crass overt pop or "adult pop" records for the imprint either. Of course, he may do exactly that. I'm just saying that if you want anything like the "old" Blue Note, yeah, it's probably time to be suicidal. Otherwise, clean the gun, but don't load it just yet. I was either a junior or senior in high school when that dinosaur song came out. Anything that happened before that album got past me. Quite frankly, a lot of music got past me back then in all types of genres. I listened to music all the time, but my listening habits went deep into various discographies and not wide across the spectrum of music. That has changed for me since then. Based on the two opposing sets of videos you posted, I've returned to a state of cautious optimism. Cheers.

Okay, now you're just toying with my optimism.

The title track from Lionel Belmondo's Hymne Au Soleil. Belmondo Myspace page with song

Okay, never mind, my optimism is gone. On a similar thread, Jsngry just posted a Was Not Was video reminding me who that band was. I believe this is one of those "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" moments.

I'm with you. He might approach the pop music as simply a job, but perhaps he's a jazz purist who will view his appointment to Blue Note as a more personal affair. For all we know, he's been going home every night and venting about all the crap music he has to deal with, but now sighs with relief that he can work with music that he loves. But I, also, am probably viewing this with some wishful naivete. However... ... I guess even a bad farmer can't do too much additional damage to dead soil.

It's a real rudimentary style bulletin board, and it was originally created as an alternative to the emusic forums, which had grown sorta nasty. Now, however, several of us on that forum either are no longer emusic members or infrequent ones, and it's no longer just about talking about music to buy on emusic, but expanded to discuss great music found on bandcamp, 7digital, ubuweb, magnatunes, internet library archives, guvera, random artist sites and net labels, etc. I've never been associated with a group of people who both individually and as a whole have a more diverse taste in music than the emusers group. Found here... emusers.org link It makes a decent supplement to your normal jazz discussion, but its richest veins of music exploration can be found in experimental, electronica, afro-beat, drone/ambient, and classical (off the top of my head).

No. Information tagging isn't really there. The classical music listeners rage about this a lot on the emu forums. I will add, however, that this wasn't as big of an annoyance as i thought it would be when I first joined. I don't mind filling in the blanks in my itunes library and it hasn't lessened the joy I experience of being able to discover and listen to new indie jazz.

I was having trouble with downloads but it turned out I was using an older version of their downloader. I got the most recent version and now it's working fine. I don't know what problem you have with the search engine... I find it very useful. You can search by artist, label, album title, song title... The results include both exact matches and fuzzy matches. It's a perfectly good search engine IMHO. Downloaders have been inconsistent for years. New versions create new problems, the type of thing I've never experienced with Amazon's downloader. The best emusic downloader is emusic/j, which isn't even an emu product; it was written by a crafty emu customer and distributed for free. The search engine on emusic is awful. I've lost track of the number of times I've typed in a name and it gave me results based on the first or second name in the engine, with the name I really wanted further down the first page of search results or even on the second page. Also, search results, if it does come back with the right name, are littered with permutations of each name which have to be searched because all the albums are split between them. Cannonball Adderley was a great example of this. It's been recently cleaned up, but searching for that name returned about twenty different results of which you'd have to go into and search under each permutation for the albums listed under there (including mis-spellings of his name). If I search for Cannonball on Amazon, it gives me one list of all his album. Not twenty different lists to search through. EDIT: Okay, it looks like maybe emu has done some improvements on this over the last few months. I know they did some site changes a couple months ago where the appearance is different, but it also looks like they did some clean-up of artist name mis-spellings but also it looks like they've solved their name permutation problem by tweaking the "Albums" results section, so maybe not as bad as it was before. That's a good thing, because for years that search engine was pretty worthless. Still not sure why they didn't just buy into the same smart technology search program like pretty much every major online retailer has. Miles Davis was another good one for showing the mess it made of things, but that "Albums" section seems to be their catch-all. 74 albums might be all they have on the site.