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Is there such a thing as a Hollywood do-badder? or maybe...

I just stumbled on this ancient thread from almost 13 years ago (searching for something else), and don't know that I ever saw it way back then. Does anyone happen to have a link to the other thread Larry mentions above? I'd like to see the "full circumstances" eluded to here as well. Need to spend a little more time with what Wayne said too -- thank goodness it's reproduced here -- as my quick glance at it simply told me I needed more time to really focus on the whole thing. (And from my couple brief conversations with Wayne, that comes as no surprise to me either.)

I don't think I ever knew there was a volume 3 on ESP -- ???? Is there collectively more music on the 3 ESP CD's, than the 2 Magnetics?? I'll have to look into the details (I know, the details are all in the links I just posted, and the images I'm posting). I mean, I'll have to actually take the time to look at what's what, and compare stuff side by side (to make sense of it all). https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966-Volume-Three/release/2150230

OK, looking again, those two "Magnetic" euro-boots seem to be the same as these two legit(?) [really???] releases, of all things, on ESP(??!!!)... These also seem to have *extensive* liner-notes, all of which are visible (for both volumes) if you click on the images on the "discogs" listings below. I'm pretty sure in good enough resolution that you can read every word too. Damn, do I need to upgrade from my 2 ancient "Magnetic" boot copies of these dates? And seriously, are these two seemingly ESP reissues, are these actual LEGIT releases of this material? I'm assuming the sound-quality is the same as the 2 "Magnetic" CDs. Any flaws in the sound there (on the Magnetics) seem inherent to the recording, and not because of being poorly sourced from multi-generation tapes, etc. In any case, if these ESP CD's are legit issues of this stuff, perhaps I should track them down, on principle. (Not that I have anything against euro-boots; I've got plenty -- but I do always try and upgrade when stuff comes out legit at a later date -- as I've done will all my Miles euro-boots, and the like.) https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966/release/1049985 https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-Caf%C3%A9-Montmartre-1966-Volume-Two/release/1637610

Need to find you both of these CD's (which I've had since ~1994, just after I moved to Kansas City). BUT, I think there have been one (or more?) subsequent reissues of (all?) this material too -- I'm pretty sure I've seen this/these on CD with different covers on the Dusty Groove site a few years ago. https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-The-Montmartre-Vol-1/release/3596582 https://www.discogs.com/Don-Cherry-Live-At-The-Montmartre-Vol-2/release/5070073

He wasn't indicted. He's clearly an actor. The only question is whether to include him in the list of those criminally involved. (And I think he probably should be charged, since apparently he was fully in on the entire scheme, along with his wife.)

Quite an interesting article, and I hope it doesn't get deleted -- it's very relevant to the main topic of discussion.

Only 2 or 3 actors (depending on whether you include Macy (and I think he probably should be included) allegedly involved (to use the vernacular of the press at this stage, since no one has been convicted yet), out of a total of 33 parents (specifically parents) have been indited, and a grand total of 50 incitements -- and suddenly this whole (justifiable) scandal is primarily because of "Hollywood do-gooders"?? (Or am I missing something -- are the rest of these people somehow connected to "Hollywood" -- ??) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_bribery_scandal#Indited_people Participants in scandal[edit] 50 people have been charged as part of the ongoing investigations. Of these, 33 are parents of college applicants and nine were collegiate coaches.[30] Notable indicted individuals include: Indited people[edit] William Rick Singer, purported college counselor, and author of self-help book for college admission. Singer is alleged to have organized and sold fraudelent college addmission services.[1][2] Parents accused of paying for admission[edit] Jane Buckingham, marketing executive and self-help book author Gordon Caplan, co-chairman of Willkie Farr & Gallagher Lori Loughlin, actor best known for role in Full House Mossimo Giannulli, husband to Lori Loughlin and fashion designer[31] Manuel Henriquez, former CEO of Hercules Captial, an investment firm[32][33] Douglas M. Hodge, former CEO of PIMCO[34][35] Felicity Huffman, actor best known for role in Desperate Housewives[36] Bill McGlashan, founder of TPG Growth, a division of TPG Capital[37] Marci Palatella, distillery owner and businesswoman, wife of former NFL player Lou Palatella[26] David Sidoo, Canadian businessman and former professional football player[38] Coaches accused of involvement[edit] Jorge Salcedo, Major League Soccer player and UCLA coach[39] Gordon Ernst, former Georgetown University tennis coach[40] John Vandemoer, former Stanford University sailing coach[21] Jovan Vavic, former University of Southern California water polo coach[21] Other participants[edit] Mark Riddell, a Harvard University alum and former director at IMG Academy. Riddell was employed by Singer to fraudulently take admission tests, impersonating the clients' children, and paid Educational Testing Service and ACT contractors to deliberately misadminister the tests.[14] Olivia Jade Giannulli - Loughlin's daughter and Instagram influencer got into USC after her parents paid Singer. Olvia commented through Twitter that she didn't "care about anything" she was learning in college.[41][42]

Yeah, but somebody did pay more than a million dollars for similar things. All I want is for there to be a rigorous prosecution, and I'm sure there'll be a able-bodied defense. And then let the chips fall where they may. If the evidence is there, then there should be consequences that are absolutely commensurate with the crime. I don't want to pretend like I know what's "fair" -- but if that's significant restitution (more like $1.5 million), and potentially including some jail time, so be it. [And hopefully more in line with actual sentencing guidelines than a certain particular someone, who just got a 2nd set of sentencing just today -- who I won't mention.] And BTW, the spouses shouldn't get off scot free either, if they were aware of the whole thing and complicit.

NOT that I'm defending him, or his wife (or anyone in any of this, at all). But I think I read that Huffman and Macy were in for $15K total (not $1.5 Million). But I do remember seeing some sort of "million dollar" figure(s?) being mentioned, in conjunction with other parts of the scheme. I just read on-line that it may have been more like 800 families that benefited from these schemes, and not just the 60-70 people who were charged (if I'm remembering right). I'm just skimming a few articles, here and there, and head-lines I've seen on Reddit (which seem to come from reputable sources, though I haven't read the articles closely yet). Somebody said there was surely going to be a full-length documentary about all this, someday. Or at least a full episode of Frontline on PBS -- I think it'd be well deserving of all that, once the dust settles, maybe after the trials happen. There's probably a much bigger story to be told here -- not that any of this is really all that shocking. "Stop the presses: The Rich got special perks, special access, and a shit-ton of stuff they never deserved." Not like that's been 'news' for decades, and decades, and forever really. USC is a private school (which I didn't realize until last night, when I asked my wife as this story was being reported on, in PBS. She tends to know more about universities and colleges all around the country, because of her profession -- and also her deep interest in college basketball too (and football) -- than I ever have, or probably ever will). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Southern_California The University of Southern California (USC[a] or SC) is an American private research university in Los Angeles, California. Founded in 1880, it is the oldest private research university in California.[9]

I'm kind of surprised that they haven't also throne the book at the spouses of the two Hollywood actresses that they arrested. I suppose it's possible they weren't also involved, but that would be hard to imagine. Huffman's husband is fairly well-known actor William H. Macy. From what I read yesterday in the news, it was something like 60-70 people who were involved. Don't know that they were all "Hollywood" types, but clearly if the scheme was all through one outfit, then they were all semi-connected, one way or another. I guess I'm not at all surprised, and I agree they should be prosecuted. From the reports yesterday, some of the kids were clearly not interested in the education, and seemed to have presumptions about barely needing to do certain kinds of classwork otherwise required of every student. How "big" it is, hard to say. It is a lot of people, and does involve a number of schools. Not clear to me that anyone at the schools themselves (other than individual coaches, iirc), have been implicated. Lots more reporting to be done. Should be more to tell at some point. Bit more about Macy's involvement, but lack of being charged, here: https://www.vulture.com/2019/03/william-h-macy-felicity-huffman-college-cheating-scandal.html And another article specifically about Macy's involvement... https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/03/felicity-huffman-william-h-macy-college-admissions-scandal-varsity-blues

Fantasy for Girl and Orchestra (Verve, recorded 1947, released 1956)[16] 1947??!! OK, that's a full decade earlier than I was expecting. https://www.jazzdisco.org/verve-records/catalog-popular-2000-series/#mgv-2005 MGV 2005 Phil Moore - Fantasy For Girl And Orchestra Ray Linn, Gerald Wilson, Snooky Young, trumpet; Ben Benson, Hank Coker, Murray McEachern, trombone; Harry Schumann, French horn; Harry Klee, flute; Marshall Royal, alto sax, clarinet; Lucky Thompson, tenor sax; Calvin Jackson, piano; Al Hendrickson, guitar; Red Callender or Art Shapiro, bass; Lee Young, drums; unidentified strings, Phil Moore, director. Los Angeles, CA, 1947 D105 Concerto For Trombone And Orchestra, Part 1 D106 Concerto For Trombone And Orchestra, Part 2 D107 Fugue For Bar Room Piano D108 Misty Moon Blues D109 | D293 Day Dream D110 | D292 125th Street Prophet D111 | D291 Cornucopia Fantasy For Girl And Orchestra Mood For You

Bloody hell. I just hit 'play' on this video, thinking I'd get some cheesy faux exotic 'tiki' mujsic, with god only knows what sort of "girl" component (I think that's actually the only reason I hit 'play' was to figure out what the 'girl' aspect was). Then as the music unfolded, I exclaimed in a fairly loud voice "what the hell??!!!" -- loud enough that my wife wondered what in the world I was reacting to. What a crazy record. Now I want to know more about this whole thing. Who was Phil Moore? What was the concept behind this thing? What do those liners on the back of the album say (in the earlier images, up-thread). Oddest thing I've heard, well, maybe all year.

Apart from the more obvious 'new' material of great merit (the extra Out To Lunch and Unity material especially, which I think are worth their weight in gold), I wanted to highlight this extra alternate of "Mode For Joe" that I think has only ever been issued on the 2015 SHM-CD issue of this title. https://www.discogs.com/Joe-Henderson-Mode-For-Joe/release/11227057 Maybe not quite as 'revelatory' as the Dolphy and Young bonus tracks, I think this alt of the title track for Mode For Joe is just as lovely as lovely can be. It's not a very bombastic track, and feels of being more 'through-composed' even -- but the alt is really *dramatically* different in the details (every nook and cranny of every solo instrument line is quite different from the released version), even if the overall effect is similar. Those who know this album backwards and forwards (as I do, not the least of which being because it was one of the very first four (4) jazz albums I ever owned, and listened to extensively), should really enjoy this particular extra track. Highly recommended, if it ever comes out again.

Very nice that the article includes links to listen to all of these specific pieces. Vivian Fine: Concertante for Piano and Orchestra (1944) Walter Piston: Concerto for Viola and Orchestra (1957) Harold Shapero: Symphony for Classical Orchestra (1947) Norman Dello Joio: Meditations on Ecclesiastes for String Orchestra (1956) Irving Fine: Symphony (1962) Samuel Barber: Piano Concerto (1962) Virgil Thomson: Symphony on a Hymn Tune (1928) I have to confess to only being substantially familiar with Piston, (Irving) Fine, Barber, and Thompson -- all of whom I have multiple CD's by. The other three I only have the vaguest awareness of (and I look forward to hearing the 3 examples they linked to).

Some decent prices for this same title (on CD) on Discogs too, FWIW -- 5 copies, and all of them in the range of $11-$13 (including shipping, depending on where you are too, I suppose). https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?sort=price%2Casc&limit=25&master_id=1179637&ev=mb&format=CD In any case, I think those $28 and up listings are a bit spurious.

Seems to be from the one with Terumasa Hino on Philips. Much as I love the tune "Black Narcissus" -- I'd almost be even more interested in this 18-minute version of "Dancing Mist", which I only became aware of about a year or two ago (nothing more than just stumbling on this entry in Discogs; I've never heard it). Not enough to pay $113 for it though (or even the $76 a copy sold for back in Oct 2017). But I'd certainly go $40 on one! https://www.discogs.com/Masabumi-Kikuchi-All-About-Dancing-Mist/release/7535147 Side 1: Dancing Mist with Joe Henderson Bass – Yoshio Suzuki Drums – Hiroshi Murakami, Yoshiyuki Nakamura Electric Piano – Masabumi Kikuchi Sopranino Saxophone – Kohsuke Mine (I suspect this may just be Soprano) Tenor Saxophone – Joe Henderson Trumpet – Terumasa Hino BTW, the personnel matches the Henderson/Hino date on Philips exactly. https://www.discogs.com/Joe-Henderson-And-Kikuchi-Hino-In-Concert/release/8233816

I did a really deep search on-line last night for a good hour, every which way I could think of. Even using the Japanese characters that represented "Joe Henderson" "In Japan" and "Black Narcissus" (which are perfectly good search keys in Google). Can't for the life of me find any recent re-release of "In Japan" -- let along anything that indicates a 5-track version (vs. the regular 4-track version). I think "Henderson's Habiliment" did come up more than a few times, but always (seemingly) the old LP (and not some recent CD-reissue of it -- far as I can tell). Really a puzzle. Much as I do really like "In Japan" (far as it goes), have to confess to loving the date with nearly the same line-up (plus Terumasa Hino) from almost that exact same date (+/- one day, iirc) -- and about 4-5 other Joe Hendreson "Milestone" dates -- even more. THING IS, "Black Narcissus" is just about my *absolute favorite* Joe Henderson tune (among many) -- and I'd be hard-pressed not to at least consider picking up an expanded edition of "In Japan" even just for that one track. [For a good 10 years not, I usually cite "Black Narcissus" and "Beatrice" as my two favorite jazz tunes ever.] This is really a puzzle.

Again, here's one of the best tracks on the whole album, "Santa Barbara" - and I'd love folks to give this a listen and discuss.

Maybe, maybe not? Am I misremembering that the Mosaic page never had any ambiguity or hedging on the page (website) itself? I mean, originally this thread was started when someone just discovered it listed on the website -- and then only a couple/few days later was there an email explaining the "only if we get X number of order" stuff. But was there *ever* any of that on their website? I don't remember now. But I'm not 100% sure that the absence of ambiguity/hedging on the website is (necessarily) any indication of anything new about this set. (Anyone else remember?)

FWIW, I did a search on CDJapan.com (incl. out of print stuff), specifically for "In Japan", and absolutely no version came up at all (out of 6 pages of Joe Henderson releases over the last however man years). So it doesn't appear to be some recent Japanese CD reissue, best as I can tell. The host seems to have a Facebook page, but I have to confess - I've never been on Facebook. Just glancing at his page, does it look like something that's actually active? - like could he be contacted through is Facebook page? (Only asking, because it doesn't have any posts and such, like I normally seem to think I've seen before on FB). https://www.facebook.com/gavin.walker Here's his bio too... http://vancouverjazz.com/disc/artists/g_walker.shtml And there seems to be a contact phone number, in order to book him for gigs. Worst case, I could call that and see where that gets me.

Yeah, I've been on the lookout for this CD -- which combines "...Meets Her Old Pals" along with some piano trio recs of hers also from 1961. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_%E2%80%93_Toshiko_Akiyoshi (combined "1961" CD, with both sessions). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Yellow_Road_(Toshiko_Akiyoshi_Trio_album (trio only sessions, originally released on flexi-discs in a magazine (if I'm understanding right).) More about the "magazine" where those trio-recs originally came out... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Sonorama

I think the most logical explanation, or maybe plausible explanation would be more accurate... ...is that (maybe?) on the original Henderson's Habiliment release of this album in Japan (on Victor), that the last track really is "Back Narcissus". The timing, according to the link below, is rather close to the 13:05 length I estimated from the stream I found last night. On the "...Habiliment" LP, that length is 25-ish seconds longer, but add 5 seconds on the front -- and 20 seconds of applause on the back end (especially since it's the last track on side 2 of the LP), and that could totally be the exact same song length. https://www.discogs.com/Joe-Henderson-Hendersons-Habiliment/release/8960668 The host of the jazz show on that Vancouver station seems to have been there since the mid-80s, his name is Gavin Walker according to this link. I should try and reach out and see what the story is on this "deluxe" edition he played, and what the source is. https://www.citr.ca/radio/the-jazz-show/

Yeah, I could have sworn I've never heard "Black Narcissus" from this live session. FWIW, it can be heard at the 2h:21m:45s mark during the 3+ hour radio-show that can be streamed from this link (see my post above)... https://player.fm/series/citr-the-jazz-show-55506/trumpeter-ingrid-jensen-invisible-sounds-for-kenny-wheeler-plus-tenor-saxophone-master-joe-henderson-in-japan The tune runs from 2h:21m:45s through about the 2h:34m:50s mark. Or about 13:05 total. Also, hitting the play-button on my work-PC today, this came up as an mp3 in my standard media-player (totally differently than at home), so you may not have to jump through the hoops I detailed up above to get to the right time in the stream for this tune.