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SO, anyone else have this album? - or heard it? Here's one of the very best tunes, "Santa Barbara", which really gets right to everything I love about this album (and maybe you can also hear the Mangelsdorf Quintet similarities(?) -- NOT that I'm suggesting any sort of direct connection or influence (in either direction). Or if there is some kind of relationship or influence, that'd sure as hell be wild (being from such disparate countries). 4 or 5 (of the total of 7 tracks) are kinda like this, some with periods of collective improv too. And most of the tracks are seriously "tight" and spritely!! -- just like those Mangelsdorf dates (circa 1963-64), although 2 of the tracks are just piano-trio only (iirc), and more subdued. Here's "Santa Barbara":

I picked this super-recent Japanese SHM-CD reissue from The Bastards about a month ago, and I have to say that it's turned out to be one of THE most quirky, fascinating, and lively albums I've heard since specifically those two fantastic Albert Mangelsdorf Quintet albums from around the same year: "Tension" (aka "One Tension") from 1963, and "Now Jazz Ramwong" from 1964. In fact, there's a sort of odd similarity in the overall sound between this (probably little-known?) Mariano date, and the two Mangelsdorf dates. Anyway, here are some details... https://www.dustygroove.com/item/900142/Charlie-Mariano:Jazz-Intersession According to Dusty: A rare Japanese session from American reedman Charlie Mariano – and one of the few recorded documents of his time on the Tokyo scene! The album really captures Charlie at a pivotal – and under-recorded – point in his career – definitely stretching out from the tight lines of his Boston years, yet also still holding back from some of the trippier styles he'd explore more freely on the European scene. This sense of being at the edge really holds throughout the entire album – and even familiar tunes have some structures that are less familiar than you might expect – as Charlie blows alto with deep sense of soul, in the company of a group that includes Masao Yagi on piano, Hideo Shiraki on drums, Akira Fukumara on trumpet, and Hidehiko Matsumoto on tenor and soprano sax! Titles include "Etude", "Santa Barbara", "Rootie", "G Low", and "Come Rain Or Come Shine". http://www.charliemarianotribute.de/disco1964.html Personnel: Charlie Mariano – alto saxophone Hidehiko Matsumoto – soprano & tenor saxophones Akira Fukuhara – trumpet Masao Yagi – piano Masanaga Harada – bass Hideo Shiraki – drums Titles: G-Low Come Rain Or Come Shine Etude Santa Barbara (Charlie Mariano) Rootie I Left My Heart In San Francisco Jinku Recorded February 8, 10 & 11, 1964 at Nippon Toshi Centre Hall, Tokyo, Japan Released by Wave (Japan) WWLJ-7108 and King (Japan) SKJ 1058 And a lovely cover that's growing on me too...

I've had all the same kinds of issues with Pandora too -- it's really difficult to get it to play stuff that isn't more pedantic (than what I'm looking for), no matter what I seed it with. Still, I take it as a challenge to try and force Pandora to serve up more interesting stuff than it wants to, for me. I've dabbled with Spotify, but I've never played with it enough to see if it really can do what Pandora claims it can do -- which (like you, Jim) -- is be more like an esoteric radio-station. Spotify might well have a much deeper catalog, but if I have to know (myself) what I'm looking for -- and can't (seem to) get it to mix things up for me (without me having to mix them up myself), then that explains why I've stayed with Pandora (despite all its limitations). What I really *WANT* is a Pandora where I can check a box that says "Yeah, go ahead and play DEEPER ALBUM CUTS that nobody knows". Or maybe I should trying to seed single stations with conflicting tunes (in the same station) -- Gang of Four + Hindemith + Mulatu Astatke (aka the Éthiopiques vol 4 guy) -- and then also (somehow) figure out what's similar about all of those seemingly disparate kinds of music -- and then reach out to god-knows-what-else that also has that same "it" factor that's common to Gang of Four, and Hindemith, and Mulatu Astatke. That's what I want.

Ditto. I only stream music on my phone, either with my iPhone built-in speaker (getting ready in the bathroom in the morning), and on my commute to/from work. Pretty much only use Pandora, which has its limitations, but I'm mostly listening to oddball alternative music on stations with seeds using bands like Interpol, Gang of Four, The Church, The English Beat, The Jam, Joe Jackson, Pete Townshend (solo), Lindsey Buckingham (solo), and the like. SOME jazz, but that only gets interesting if it give it station seeds that are kinda off the wall, like Dusko Goykovich, or Rabih Abou Khalil. (Seeding Pandora with anything even remotely "normal" - yields a lot of fairly timid results.) ANYWAY, despite it's limitations, it's kind of fun trying to "trick" Pandora into serving up stuff that's less than mainstream (or played-out). And I get about 2 ad-breaks per hour, which is more than tolerable. Nothing I'm going to pay $60 a year to avoid (perfectly good money I can spend elsewhere). I *hate* paying for parking, and I *hate* paying for subscriptions to things I really don't need all that much.

bass / trumpet (and flugelhorn) / guitar (electric & acoustic) -- so a bit atypical -- but I sure like this one... Fingerpainting - the music of Herbie Hancock https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/482/MI0001482076.jpg https://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/258/MI0001258688.jpg

I'm really of two minds about this movie. On the face of it, it's pretty good in a lot of ways, and I did enjoy it. But it does have a bit of Hollywood simplicity about it - or else maybe the balance of drama and comedy felt too carefully calibrated (equal parts of both, to my recollection). The acting was somewhere between good and great -- but I just felt like the whole thing needed about 20% more depth to it, or heft, or something. I was pretty stunned it got Best Picture, but then when you read about the ranked voting process they use (not sure 'ranked voting' is precisely the right term, but it's pretty close), it's NOT great surprise that the movie that got the most votes (even if a great majority of them might have had the film ranked in 3rd place). Which is to say that any film that really divides people, or just as many people loved as those who were put off by it -- is likely not going to score as well under such a system. I for one would have much rather seen Roma get best picture myself, but at least Bohemian Rhapsody didn't get it I suppose. I enjoyed seeing Green Book, but overall I'd give it about a solid B+ (at best), though all the performances in it were all enjoyable, and well performed. Still, for me, it seemed to be just a little too Hollywood for its own good.

For a good 10-15 years now, ETCETERA has been my #1 favorite Shorter leader-date. I don't think(?) there's been a Japanese SHM-CD issue of it, but if so, I'd be temped to get it that way (and I otherwise rarely upgrade very many CD's I have).

Nothing like that listed on the proposed discography -- which I suppose isn't already set in stone (but it probably might as well be)... http://www.mosaicrecords.com/discography.asp?number=268-MD-CD I think the *only* totally previously unissued track is this one... B): NO ROOM FOR SQUARES: Lee Morgan, trumpet; Hank Mobley, tenor saxophone; Andrew Hill, piano; John Ore, bass; Philly Joe Jones, drums (October 2, 1963). Tk.18 Me 'N You (alt tk) previously unissued

I sure the heck wish Tolliver's Paper Man would come out on CD someday. There was an mp3 release (legit) several years ago (maybe with one bonus alternate, I can't remember - I never bought it, as I don't really do downloads much). I've got a nice burn of it off an LP from someone here 10+ years ago, but I'd love to have it legit on CD -- just about the only Tolliver leader-date I don't have on CD, iirc.

> Anthony Cox "Dark Metals" (hole punch in tray card) ...a fine album with *Dewey Redman* in especially fine form, plus Billy Higgins (and Mike Cain, piano), recommended!

Just looked up what I could find on Amazon, to refresh my memory about his books -- and a few on Ice Hockey came up as well. I figured it was by a different author with the same name, but according to his Wikipedia entry, hockey was his other passion (literally how Wikipedia termed it)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Gitler RIP.

Has anyone talked to anyone about doing a Bill Barron set? Seriously. As much as it comes up here as an idea, has anyone here seriously suggested it?

My mom (the only music purchaser among my parents), had about 200 LP's, a bit of classical, mostly folk and broadway musical cast albums, Tom Leher, Bob Newhart, and the like. She was born in the mid 30's ('34, iirc), and she mostly stopped buying albums for the most part by the early '70 (probably not coincidentally I was born in '69). She did buy a couple dozen more broadway cast albums in the 80's, but all on cassette.

The last thing I need is even more Woody Shaw -- but I'm sure I'll break down and get it the next chance I have. And probably the Timeless All Stars date too -- looks too good on paper to pass up. I swear, that last Woody Shaw date at Onkel Pö's Carnegie Hall (from the early 80's), was just about *THE* very best sounding live jazz recording I think I've EVER heard.

I've got a much nicer Blue Note watch from at least 15 or maybe closer to 20 years ago -- nicer than the freebie you got with the Conn proof of purchases too (I had one of those too). A friend actually gave it to me (the nicer one) -- and I suspect it was more expensive than I would have bought at the time. He said he never wore a watch, and never had any need for it (and I forget exactly where he got it from). I'll have to dig around on-line and see if I can find any representative pics of it.

I just picked up a used copy of this on CD(!!) on ebay for $30 (ouch!!). But to be honest, I never really thought this REALLY existed on CD until I opened up the package in my mailbox barely an hour ago. I've had it on vinyl for over 5 years, but I've had my eyes out for this on CD for going on 10 years!! It's NOT (and has never been) listed on CD on Discogs, and the only place I've ever seen/found any reference on-line is one lonely Amazon listing, and a few Japanese sites -- but the Amazon is (and has always been) just 1-2 lonely 3rd-party sellers who wanted like $100 for it (give or take). BTW, if you're looking for the listing on Amazon, just search for "Olatunji Soul" (leave out the "Makossa") -- which is also how you get to what I presume is the legit(?) mp3 downloads for this thing too. The CD packaging has that look about it that just screams "I'm a bootleg" like those dodgy "Black Jazz" UK reissues from maybe 10-15 years ago (and/or maybe a few dodgy "Strata East" or "Tribe" reissues have looked similar too). But it *IS* on a silver-disc, and it sounds great (I'm not hearing any surface noise, so I don't think it's sourced from an LP), tracks up perfectly every time, the whole kit and kaboodle. Packaging is pretty primitive, and the repro of the cover looks like a somewhat faded LP cover (exactly like the image down below from an Amazon listing for the LP, down to all the same wear marks, every last one)... God damn, I love this album. Joe's all over this thing, but I think Jim's right (up above), the real secret sauce is Reggie Lucas. I'm already on my second spin since I got the CD barely an hour ago. I had a burn of this thing 9-10 years ago (no idea what happened to it), and on vinyl the last 5 years -- but nice(r) to have it on CD finally, even if it's a little dubious.

The Cloud ain't going nowhere (in general), but anything I bought from somebody that they put up on the cloud for me (and my access is controlled through them), sure as hell might go somewhere.

I'm totally with you, Jim. Anything (or rather, any particular thing) you have on the Cloud, might well disappear 10-15 years from now (or next year, you never know). I do not trust anything other than media or data that I control myself -- at least in terms of long-term access. Yeah, a fire could come a destroy it all. But other than that, I think my little (physical) collection of ~3,000+ CD's (and a few hundred LP's) stands a MUCH better chance of being able to be listened to 20 years from now, than anything (or rather, any particular thing), going forward. Yeah, I spent way too god damn much on all those Terumasa Hino CD reissues recently -- but you can't even access ANY of that stuff on-line (other than random YouTube uploads, which come and go). I suspect half my music collection is like that -- some of it not terribly hard to access one way or another NOW -- but in the 2030's?? -- who the hell knows.

I'm afraid I have all this too (and all on CD to boot), so I'm afraid I'm going to have to pass too. I won't feel too guilty, as there was only about 1/3rd of the Bee Hive set that I was really super-duper interested in, but I did buy that primarily to be supportive of the label (which was a pretty penny). If the set does have enough sales, and get approved for production -- I might see if I can order a copy of just the booklet. There was a time (20 years ago), when I bought booklets for several of their Miles Davis Columbia LP sets, to augment my metal-spine CD copies of the music. They sold the booklets at $15 each back then, and I wouldn't be surprised if they upped that price to $20 now (as they probably should). Wish I could justify this, but my ideal is individual CD's with original artwork, and I've already got all that here. But I do hope they can make a go of it. If this set sells enough, I could see them doing a similar 60's set for Lee Morgan -- that seems like the most logical next set of this sort.

Lovely to find a collection like that. Which Gunther Schuller album? - if I might ask.

How so?

Definitely!! All these years, I still have and kept my 1989 McMaster CD edition of "No Room For Squares" -- because those McMaster issues of the 3 or 4 Mobley's that originally split sessions -- those late 80's McMasters were released by session (instead of as they originally came out on LP). The best way to experience those sessions, is grouped by session -- far as I'm concerned. That 1989 edition of "No Room For Squares" especially, being one of Andrew Hill's rare sideman appearances.