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Just wanted to make sure the Amazon search thingy is working OK, from the board. I know that's supposed to be the way to make sure the board gets the credit (and $) for the sale. Thing is, when I use it (the Big O "Amazon" search thingy) -- I don't see anything in either of the URL's that first come up in the new window, that would indicate some parameter is being passed that ID's the Big O board in the transaction. ( Also, the CD Universe doesn't appear to be working -- BUT, at least with it, I'm clearly seeing a parameter that ID's the board (even if it isn't triggering the search right on the CD-U side of things). ) But FWIW, I'm trying to buy a bunch of stuff on Amazon, and want to be completely sure some of that $$ gets back to the board.

I concur.

And the late 60's. But hey, this thread had no time restrictions. (And I did start a Parker thread earlier.)

I've purposely kept Blue Note out of this thread -- since there are SO many BN studio dates that were released years later. So, NO BLUE NOTE DATES, unless they were recorded for some other label, and then later released by Blue Note.

Well, it certainly didn't if two of the first three examples given were of live dates, and I specifically asked for STUDIO dates only. I've added color and some size changes to the first post.

What are your favorite STUDIO dates (originally recorded for any label other than Blue Note), that had their first-ever release to the public roughly 20 or more years after they were first recorded. (Studio material NOT originally recorded FOR Blue Note, but later released BY Blue Note can be included in this thread.) Also, for anything recorded after 1988 (20 years ago), then any studio material first released more than 10 years after it was originally recorded (if it was recorded after 1988). NO LIVE DATES. STUDIO MATERIAL ONLY. and NO BLUE NOTE dates. (unless they were originally recorded by someone OTHER THAN Blue Note, and later released by Blue Note.)

Sweet!!! Thanks for posting that. Very cool.

Holy fuck!!

Dear lord, that's an ugly cover.

If my memory is correct, I think that's Don Cherry you're hearing. Cherry's on one (or possibly both) of the sessions that make up "Somewhere Else" (again, from memory) -- and plays pocket trumpet (sometimes muted, sometimes not) throughout. I don't remember Michael Ray playing a prominant role on "Somewhere Else".

I waiting (and pining) for album covers with women who are only wearing hats (and nothing more).

So, then I guess the key factor seems to be finding trumpet on organ albums. And I even seem to remember there being something in John Zorn's liner-notes to John Patton's "Boogaloo" about the relative absense of trumpet players on organ albums (in general). [That date did have trumpet, maybe one of few such Patton dates.] So it's not so much a lack of organ albums WITHOUT guitar, as it is finding them both WITHOUT guitar, but then also WITH trumpet (at the same time). So, what's the deal with there being fewer trumpet players on organ albums??

Thanks for that Don Patterson side -- that appears to match UNITY's instrumentation. OK, I've expanded the topic to include any organ album that DOESN'T include guitar, but WITH any number of horns, plus drums.

Got four, count 'em, FOUR crowns yesterday. Uugh. That's more dental work than everything I'd ever had done prior (collectively). Three were in teeth that previously had fillings, but there was more decay behind the filling (still now sure how that happens). Of course our dental insurance won't hardly cover any of it. Wrote a check for $2,300 yesterday. I need all my wisdom teeth out too (been putting that off for a decade), but I'm waiting until next year for that. Probably another $2K down the drain there too. Again, the dental insurance won't cover but about 30% of that (which I'm supposed to grateful for, since they won't cover even 10% of the crowns). I still fail to understand why dental insurance even exists, if they don't cover anything worth a damn at all. I'm on my wife's plan, which is supposedly pretty good (at least the health insurance is -- and it was for when I had my gall bladder taken out last year). She's a Federal Government employee, so it's a real plan. But all the dental options suck (just as they do under my options through my work). I've said it before, what's the fucking point of dental insurance, if they don't pay for squat.

I see Ray is on this date (which I've never heard before)... Stanton Moore -- All Kooked Out! (Fog City, 1998) And one other cool thing I just noticed (while checking out samples on Amazon), is that it also includes a version of the lead-off track ("Boogaloo Boogie") from John Patton's 1968 album "Boogaloo" (the one that John Zorn wrote the notes for, which came out for the very first time in 1995) -- which is a KILLER tune!! Man, I'm gonna have to pick this one up someday. (That's one of my top three favorite Patton albums, and I *never* thought I'd hear a remake of anything off it.) BTW, I'm not hearing Ray on any of the Amazon samples -- does he only guest on one or two tracks??? (The AMG review implies this.)

I think the one non-Arkestra thing I have with Ray is on Trey Anastasio's first side-project, "Surrender to the Air" (that's both the name of the band, and the name of the release) ...which also features fellow Ra alum Marshall Allen, as well as Marc Ribot and John Medeski. This really is a top-drawer free-ish date (with some funk/rock overtones here and there). Haven't spun it in a while, but I really should dig it out again. As I recall, everything gels very nicely, with lots of solo space for all involved. Surrender to the Air (Elektra, 1996) By the way, there are literally a dozen of them available on half.com for less than $1 each (HERE), plus $2.99 shipping (or only $1.89 shipping if you're buying something else anyway from the same seller). WELL worth checking out.

Wow! So then nothing else (or nearly nothing else) meets the technical requirements of being trumpet, tenor (or alto), organ, and drums (and no other instruments) -- ??? Both those Bill Heid dates have a percussionist and/or conga player on a few tracks, and so does the John Patton date previously mentioned (all GREAT dates, and worthy of mention). And the Buddy Terry date only has the full quartet on two tracks only. And the Ronnie Cuber date is bari (not that I'm not thankful for its mention). So, then, is the ONLY date that matches exactly (or with alto instead of tenor), that one Johnny Hammond Smith date?? -- which according to the post above, might include some uncredited guitar (don't know, I haven't heard it), which would then bump it from being a match. I can't believe this instrumentation line-up is THAT rare. So then there's a chance "Mother Ship" could be the ONLY date that matches "Unity" exactly??

I'm not saying it is anybody famous -- just a mystery photo on another board. ...and if it was a musician, then I thought people here might know.

Quote from this thread: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=153088

Howdy all, How many albums can we come up with that have the same instrumentation as Larry Young's magnum opus "Unity" (trumpet, tenor (or alto), organ, and drums)?? Please provide the line-up, and year of recording (if such info is handy). Thanks!! Perhaps the most obvious one I could think of was... Larry Young Quartet -- Mother Ship (Blue Note LT 1038) Lee Morgan (tp) Herbert Mogan (ts) Larry Young (org) Eddie Gladden (d) Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, February 7, 1969 EDIT: I've expanded the topic so now it includes ANY organ album with NO GUITAR, but with drums, and any number of horns.

How in the world did Frank Zappa ever end up on Verve?? Or the Velvet Underground?? I don't know any of the history of Verve's non-jazz endeavors; can someone elucidate?

I've long been a fan of Michael Ray, who I first discovered some 15+ years ago on recordings with Sun Ra. He does this amazing fake echo thing (which I've even heard on some live Arkestra recordings), which sounds just like a smooth glissando, over and over disappearing into the distance. I'd heard it a time or two on some studio recordings, and I thought it was studio trick (with electronic echo). But then hearing it on live recordings, I was amazed to discover that the effect was all Michael. (Yes, it's totally a gimmicky type thing -- but I still think it's technically amazing, and usually interesting -- at least in most of the out-ish contexts I've heard it in.) What are your favorite recordings with Michael Ray (as a soloist), either with or without Sun Ra. I know he recorded with Kool and the Gang, but I've never heard any of that material. (I thought his Kool and the Gang days were all BEFORE he hooked up with Sun Ra, but the AMG album dates would seem to indicate otherwise -- which is it??) Is any of his work with Kool and the Gang worth picking up specifically for any interesting Ray solos? How about any other sideman work he's on?? His own leader-dates seem a little corny, from the samples I've heard on-line, but I have been a little tempted to check them out someday -- should I?? Here's his AMG "credits" -- for at least a partial list of the things he's on...

14/20 ...and I'm going in for two crowns this Monday.

A childhood friend of Obama's confirms Obama's interest in jazz was at least somewhat deep (or deeper than average, it would seem)... http://starbulletin.com/2007/02/08/news/story02.html