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Wouldn't surprise me a bit if Teo said something like this. He has said publicly that releasing the Miles box sets with all those previously unreleased takes was wrong, wrong, wrong. He would maybe be half right when it comes to that last disc (#6) in the "Miles & Gil" Evans set. BUT, he was saying it specifically about the most recent "Jack Johnson" set, and it's multiple hours of unreleased material. (And he never mentioned the "Miles & Gil" set specifically (where the charge might hold a little weight), but was talking about the whole series, in total.) When it comes to the Miles catalog on Columbia -- basically, anyone doing anything different that what Teo did, is subject to criticism. KoB's speed/pitch problems are apparently in the same category.

I will be too. Please share here -- if you can, Chuck, or if you think it not unwise to.

I've loaned out a couple, a time or two. Not very often, and only to certain people. I think in most cases, it was before I had the hardware to burn CD's. I think now, I'd probably just burn a copy for somebody. However, I should add that one of the only people I've ever loaned a Mosaic to, was someone who loaned me a couple of their Mosaics one time too.

Quick answer: I've got the Miles and Trane box, and I've also got the gold disc from - what? - like 8 or was it 10 years go. You guys all know about all the different issues of things better than I do. All I remember is that (at the time) the gold-disc I got was the first ever speed-corrected issue of KoB, which is the whole reason I got it. I figure I've got all the extra takes on the box (what few there are that have been released legit, complete takes or otherwise), and I've got the gold disc, when I just want to hear KoB in the correct track-order, as nature intended. I could care less about the "gold"-disc aspect of it -- I'd be just as happy with the standard new CD reissue, with the one bonus track. EDIT: I might have it on vinyl too, probably not in the best (nor worst) shape. A buddy of mine found a cleaner vinyl copy several years ago, and I think he gave me his old one. It's a columbia reissue of some sort, probably not the first pressing, but old enough to have the original cover art.

OK, I'll come out of hiding and admit that I've been using ME (and I still use it!!) - cuz that's what came on my PC when I bought it (circa early 2000). My PC locks up a fair bit (upwards of once or twice a day - but then I'm on it all day, many times), and my hunch is that it's somehow related to my firewall (the free firewall by Zonelabs, per the suggestion of someone here on the board). About 50% of the times that my PC locks up, right after I reboot, the firewall indicates no internet connection is available, and I end up having reboot again a second time. Sometimes I get the blue-screen-of-death, but often my screen and mouse-pointer just freezes. Often the lock-ups happen when I have multiple browser windows open, or when I've been surfing for quite a long time with the same brower window, after having been to several dozen different pages (like when go kill an hour on eBay, and look at page after page after page of listings). When I'm actually working with a document of some sort (in Word, for instance), the mantra on my machine is 'save' early, and 'save' very often. Anybody here think my trouble is actually ME?? (I mean "Windows ME" -- though my trouble could just as easily be me. ) OK, granted, ME probably sucks, and it probably isn't doing me any good - that's probably true. BUT, is XP really all that much more stable?? I mean, enough to merit an upgrade, and (presumably) needing to upgrade other software products too (Office, etc...)??? Yeah, I'm probably just being lazy by not upgrading things. But my concern is that while things are far from perfect now -- that I'll encounter new issues (conflicts, whatever) with XP, that I'll have trouble resolving on my own -- and I guess maybe I think I'll be happier with the problems I'm currently having, than dealing with all the new problems I think I might have. ( How irrational is that!!! ) Oh, by the way, for what it's worth - I connect to the internet via cable modem, via Time Warner Cable ("Road Runner"). I do run virus protection software (Norton), and I know the automatic virus-defintion updates are happening regularly - so I don't think it's a virus that causing my lock-ups. But who knows what "tons of surfing" can do in terms of potential software/OS corruption (and screwing with registry entries). I know, I should probably know more about this stuff than I do (hell, I've got a damn 4-year degree in Computer Science that I got nearly 15 years ago), but to tell the truth - I have about zero interest in the technical aspects of computers, software, OS, and troubleshooting. I just plain suck at most of that, and all of my work-experience in IT was on the 'soft' side, doing business-requirements gathering, spec-writing, end-user training, and other more "non-technical" IT stuff.

Wishing you the best of luck on the new job, Connie. Hope it turns out to be a really good thing for you!!

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/21318.htm READY, AIM - FIRED By STEPHANIE GASKELL March 20, 2004 -- Virgin Atlantic Airways yesterday flushed plans to install a urinal shaped like a woman's mouth at its new executive clubhouse at Kennedy Airport. On the day a press conference was called by the National Organization of Women to denounce the urinals, Virgin Customer Service VP John Riordan announced the British airline was canning its plans. Riordan, who said earlier this week he expected the response to be "very positive" after the design was unveiled, issued an apology. "Everyone at Virgin Atlantic was very sorry to hear of people's concerns about the design of the 'Kisses' urinals to be fitted into our clubhouse at JFK Airport," Riordan said in a statement. "We can assure everyone who complained to us that no offense was ever intended. The urinals themselves were the idea of a female designer and we were therefore surprised by the reaction." Riordan said the company intended the urinals - which appeared as red lips shaped like a puckered-up mouth - to be "fun and quirky." But women's rights groups and several politicians weren't laughing. "It is a symbolic act of degrading and humiliating women," Rita Haley, president of NOW's city chapter, said at a City Hall press conference yesterday. Councilman Phil Reed (D-Manhattan), who learned of the about-face during the press conference, said he was glad Virgin changed its mind. But he questioned why the decision was ever made in the first place. "There was a mentality that said that was acceptable," Reed said. "What were they thinking? That's really the question that you have to ask. Or was it a publicity stunt just to get their name out there?" Reed said he wants an apology from Virgin owner and self-made billionaire Richard Branson. "I'd like to hear that from the man who flies around telling us that he's so wonderful and so brilliant," Reed said. "If he's hired somebody that stupid, maybe he should fire all of them." Councilman John Liu (D-Queens) said the company has a responsibility to set a standard. "This kind of action taken by a major company does lead to more misogyny in our society, it leads to potential violence against women and that's why this is so harmful," Liu said. "It's all meant in good fun, so they should not have any problems with their own face being on these urinals. I think that's what they should do," he said. The urinals were supposed to be installed in the men's room at the airline's new clubhouse - an upscale, 7,000-square-foot lounge that has a waterfall with a reflecting pool, a bar with a 42-inch plasma screen, a dining area and a bar equipped with four Sony PlayStations. It is open only to passengers on Virgin's new Upper Class suite service.

I don't know about "M"... "H" seems to be my jazz letter... Hill, Hancock, Henderson (Joe), Hutcherson, Holland...

Same place everyone gets these kinds of things. Google Image Search. CLICK HERE Then scroll down to the very bottom...

Which one do I have and perfer over all the others?? Why, this one, of course...

Love it when Free For All plays 'Old Folks' here in KC. Great tune!!

Modified the sub-heading of this topic. "The Blues Walk" is nearly "really good", and great at times. But "The Trance" is totally off the wall!!! Thanks Spontoon!!! Gotta get me my own "Trance" disc, and quick!! (Good thing I'll be drivin' by Euclid Records in St. Louis in about two weeks.) So, to recap -- me wants more Booker Ervin like "The Trance". Bring it on!!!!

For reasons I can't possibly defend, until just a couple weeks ago, I had never heard any of Booker Ervin's non-BN dates (meaning I only had "The In Between" and "Structurally Sound" - which I realize that one or both of them weren't originally BN titles). Anyway, I just picked up "Heavy!" a couple weeks ago, and I really like it. Then our own Spontooneous loans me "The Trance" and "The Blues Book" just today, when we met for lunch. I've only heard "The Trance" so far (it's playing now), but DAMN!!! -- what an AMAZING date!!!!! I'm about to put "The Blues Book" in now. So, I thought I'd start a Booker Ervin thread, just cuz I need to know more about this guy. ( Oh, I also have "Booker and Brass" - which I only sorta liked at first, but it's grown on me a bit more over the couple of years since I first got it.) But damn, "The Trance" has sure as hell got me in one hell of a trance.

Yeah, personally I wouldn't mind a bit if Berigan chose to delete this thread.

I had the exact same thought.

Well said, cow. HELLYEAH! - indeed. And that's why I wanna see it on paper. The 'head' to the tune tumbles and rolls, and bobs and weaves so much, but in such subtle ways -- that I really wanna see how it works technically. It can't be THAT complicated (we're not talkin' Zappa's "The Black Page" here, with it's triplets that are each further subdivided into 5, 7, and 11 notes each -- EEK!!! ), but there has to be some beautiful and musically-logical way that "Capra Black" weaves the spell it weaves. Maybe I will send Billy an e-mail after all...

Thanks everybody!!! Had a nice dinner with my sweetie (who happens to also be my wife), and we went and caught a couple sets from a local piano trio that was really on fire tonight. They even played "Beatrice" for me during the second set. All in all, a pretty good day. Thanks again!!

I have, and like (but don't love) the first Bad Plus CD. Don't have the new one yet, but probably will try to pick it up sometime, especially if I can get it for cheap on eBay or in some trade. Interesting concept, and one I welcome, even if it doesn't always work 100% of the time. I have a ton of Brad Mehldau CD's (I think everything he's done as a leader). I really like most of them, but "soul" is definitely NOT something that he has much of. Technique, the man has in spades. Soul, nada. Still, I really do like most of his work, though I'm a little less taken with it than I was a few years ago.

Damn, here's one I'm sure probably NONE of us have ever seen before (other than couw - who posted this in another thread just a couple minutes ago, here: Greatest Finds). Here's the info on it, from couw's post in the other thread...

What I'd really kill for are tapes of Herbie's "Prisoner" band (with Joe Henderson), as described in the liners to the RVG of "The Prisoner". THAT'S that Herbie band I'd really like to hear. Any tapes of THAT floating around??

Perhaps I'll consider e-mailing Harper, though my reasons for wanting the music are less than typical. Would any of the other musicians here on this board be interested in getting an arrangement of Capra Black -- and then could you share a copy of it with me?? I mean, how weird is it for some non-jazz musician to be interested in seeing the music for a tune, without any real interest in playing it. (I don't even have a good academic reason for wanting to see it either -- just plain old curiosity.)

Sorry, didn't mean to rag on it so badly. AND, I should also say that I was none too impressed with the Tower in Chicago either, last time I was there (around 1999 or 2000). It was still pretty big, but what that had that was actually "interesting" was not much. Nah, what I'm comparing things to are all the Towers I went in between 1988 and 1992 or 93. New Orleans, Chicago, Washington D.C., Boston, probably a couple more I'm forgetting. THEM were the days!!!

Never thought all that much of the one in Austin. I was there a few times in 1995, and again in 1999, on business trips. That Austin Tower was less than half as big as the main Tower in Chicago, and while the jazz selection was certainly much better than anything here in Kansas City, it still wasn't anything to get all that excited about. I only remember seeing a handful of import titles, or smaller label CD's. Nothing I got all that excited about at the time, if I'm remembering right.

Perhaps, Jim. But as a singer, I can tell you that I think some instruments are far quicker at playing specific pitches in succession, at a faster rate than the human voice. I mean, yeah, with the voice (or a trombone) you can cover a whole bunch of pitches (different frequencies) really damn fast, but are you actually hitting 'notes'?? -- or are you just 'sliding around'?? I think there's a difference. For the purposes of discussion, I think you need to talk about hitting discrete notes, in rapid succession, with at least some concern for intonation. (Then again, if intonation doesn't matter -- maybe voice or trombone will win the speed race every time.) Also (as a singer), let me say that I can't sing really fast runs worth a damn, like you find all the time in Bach, or Handel, or Mozart. I hate that shit too (speaking as a singer, mind you).

OK, this really isn't a "musician"-only topic, but it is technical, in terms of notation. I'm a musician, of sorts (I'm just a "choir-geek" ), and I can't transcribe musical notation worth a damn - particularly complex jazz rhythms. I've been listening to various versions of Billy Harper's tune "Capra Black" lately (perhaps best known in the version on Lee Morgan's last studio album, a.k.a. "The Last Session"). Harper's covered himself a couple times too, for Strata East at the very least (that's the one other version I know). Anyway, I'm trying to get my ears and head around the 'head' of the tune, rhythmically speaking. I don't really need to know this for anything (I'm not a jazz musician), but just for my own curiosity. Does anybody have a "real-book" type lead-sheet for "Capra Black" – and could you post it to this thread?? (Or perhaps scan it, and e-mail it to me.) I swear I’m hearing "3 against 2" stuff going on, but the off-beat accents are really tricky, at least to my untrained ears (at least they're untrained for this sort of thing). Then, when the 'head' gets faster, I get totally lost. Frankly, I'm less interested in exactly what all the notes are (where they are on staff), and I'm more interested in how the main melody looks in rhythmic notation, metrically speaking (including where all the bass-line notes are dropped while the melody is going on, since I don't remember them being exactly on the beat either). [bUT, I might add, I'm betting the rhythm will be easier to 'see' (and follow on paper) - if I have the notes on the staff too.] What a bitchin' tune!!! B) Wonder what it would sound like done-up Organissimo style?? Also, are there any other versions of this tune (by Harper, or anyone else - for that matter), besides the one with Lee, and Harper's own recording of it on Strata East in '73??? The AMG doesn't list any, but then again, it doesn't even list the Harper version on Strata East.