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Steve Bartman on ESPN - the guy who tried to catch that foul ball.

I got a couple PM's yesterday, and I got pop-ups for both of them in a timely manner. The e-mails related to them ("you have a PM...") arrived about 12-16 hours later, but I did get them. FYI...

Discs #10 and #11 (from that 12-disc set - the 'tree' thing) are the November 5, 1969 concert, described at 'Miles Ahead' thusly... I've known about the existence of this date for some time, but I have never heard it myself. It almost goes without saying that... I would LOVE to hear the "lost quintet" with Chick on ACOUSTIC piano!!!

From a Hill bio I found on-line... "He became a music educator after earning a doctorate from Colgate University in the early 1970s and in 1977 moved to the West Coast where he taught in California prisons and public schools while continuing to occasionally tour and record for various independent labels."

I listened to "Lift Every Voice" nearly twice tonight. (Hey, when you're making dinner, and have stuff all over your hands -- it's just easier to hit the play button again - and with your elbow, of course. ) Man, there is some really damn amazing music to be found on this disc. Both sessions are top drawer, with some really fine soloing from Hill (of course), but especially Woody Shaw and Lee Morgan. I really don't think there's a context I'm more happy to hear them in than with Hill. Sure, I totally love their work in lots of other contexts (and especially their own dates). But I think Hill brought out a side of each of them that was truly unique. (As did Larry Young, with Lee Morgan on "Mother Ship".) Yes, "Lift Every Voice" is - strickly speaking - more 'accessable' than much of Hill's early work (between 63 and 66). But, really, in many ways it's still some pretty darn challenging music.

Well, start a new thread - with the gif uploaded!!!

Hey, did anybody save that gif off to their hard-drive??? Cuz otherwise, all we'll have left are the bittersweet memories.

Althea's vocals notwithstanding, I really like most of Larry Young's post-Unity work on BN. As has been discussed much of late, "Mother Ship" is outstanding (5-stars, IMHO), but I really like the other three BN albums as well: 1966's "Of Love and Peace" certainly is a bit on the loose side, but it definitely has lots of great moments - and features some prime Eddie Gale (tp), Herbert Morgan (ts), and James Spaulding (as & fl). Could have used some more rehearsal probably, but even as it is - I usually give it 4-stars. 1967's "Contrasts" maybe comes in a close second behind "Of Love..." - but with Tyrone Washington (ts), how could you go wrong?? Plus some more Herbert Morgan (ts), and some interesting contributions from Eddie Wright (g). 3 and 1/2 stars from me. 1968's "Heaven on Earth" is probably my least favorite of the four later Young BN dates, but even it has it's moments. Some days 3-stars, some only 2 and 1/2 -- depends on my mood.

Hmmmm. Never heard of "Ming Tea". Nothing on the AMG about it. Do tell!!

Got mine yesterday, and gave it a good spin. Great disc, but off the top of my head - I'm not sure I could readily ID anybody on the disc. Will listen some more tomorrow and over the weekend. Should have a full report on Monday (which is likely to read: huh? who dat??)

There's a bunch of "ring modulated" piano on Carla Bley's "Escalator Over The Hill" -- and I too had always wondered what the heck that really was. Thanks!!!

There was apparently an interview (or some sort of feature) about Andrew Hill in Cadence Magazine, Vol. 1, Issue #10 (probably from 1976, if I reading right). Anybody have this, or better yet - know if this has been reproduced on-line anywhere??? What's it like?? Cadence supposedly has back issues, for $5 -- and surprisingly this isn't one that's sold-out yet. Is this worth getting a hold of??? (CADENCE MAGAZINE Back Issues Page)

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SOURCE [Also, from the date on Hill's website (where I got this link from), this interview appears to be from May 2000. -- Rooster]

Clearly Hill was in a different place creatively in 1967-70, than he was in 63-66. But I say "different", because I don't necessarily think the later material is particularly 'worse' or 'sub-standard', as compared to the earlier material. Just different, and (yes) somewhat more accessable. Sure, the earlier stuff is probably more important, and more likely to 'stand the test of time' - as it were. But I love most of that later Hill BN material too - for what it is... a solid attempt to present Hill's concepts in a more accessable context - but without being a total sellout in the process. Sure the recordings don't quite gel as much as one would hope, though I'd argue that "Passing Ships" and "Lift Every Voice" nearly do - in their own ways. And "Life Every Voice" in particuar (plus the extra previously unreleased session with vocals) has some really deep shit on it, that didn't start to sink in with me until several dozen listens. It's not 'firey', but more like a smoldering fire, after it's been going all night, but still is putting out a ton of heat. I just think the 67-70 material has to be assessed on it's own terms, almost as if the earlier (more 'out') Hill never happened before. In fact, I think generally the more progressive types (like many of us here) would embrace the 67-70 Hill recordings more strongly, if it weren't for his earlier groundbreaking work. Let me put it to you this way... I kind of think of Hill's 67-70 output (vs. his 63-66 output) as being much like my views on Larry Young and John Patton in the late 60's... I love Larry Young's last four BN albums (everything after "Unity") - especially the really 'out' ones. And I also love John Patton's later BN work from the same time period. Now Young's output is more 'out' and probably stronger (to my way of thinking). But Patton's later BN output (while not quite as groundbreaking), is still some mighty deep shit too - in it's own way. So too is it with Hill's 67-70 output. It's not as strong as his earlier music, but some of it (and I'd argue, most of it) is still pretty damn deep - you dig??

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Shit, I had half-forgotten about that story Eric. You still needin' burns of any of the Hill box?? Say the word, and I'll get right on it. I can make you a copy of the booklet too.

I don't want to make too much of this, but I've always been impressed by Hill having studied briefly with Hindemith - a German classical composer who I've really grown to like over the years. I'm not sure I hear any similarities in their music (none, really), but I've always found it interesting that Hindemith saw something in Hill's early compositions, and encouraged him in various music ways. Hey, anybody know about Hill having a Doctorate degree?? - presumably in music composition??? I know he taught for sometime at a college or university in Portland, OR. Where and when did he get the Doctorate?? Wouldn’t that imply that he had to have written a doctoral thesis????? Wouldn’t that maybe be an interesting read??? He was also a church musician for sometime in the 70's (presumably leading a choir, and playing on Sunday mornings -- the whole bit). And (I think I remember reading this somewhere), didn't he do concerts in prisons in the 70's??? Man, oh, man -- somebody needs to write a book about this man. (My wife thinks I ought to write it - and occasionally I'm half tempted to take a stab at it.)

Repeat after me. He's from Chicago. He's from Chicago. He's from Chicago. I know, you've read a dozen times about him being born in Haiti (and you can do a Google search on "Andrew Hill Haiti" and get about 100 hits). But seriously, he was born in Chicago. He just made up the "Haiti" part, and for a time even spelled his name "Hille" (on Jimmy Wood's "Conflict" - for instance), to make his name and background seem more exotic. Supposedly it was of some (perhaps only tiny) help to him in getting gigs, really early on - in the 50's mostly, I suspect. I think I have at least half-a-dozen Hill CD's that cite his having been born in Haiti -- but it ain't true. I think this is covered in the Mosaic booklet -- I'll have to dig it out later, and type up the "Haiti/Chicago" part.

I took a look at all three videos just now (I was half-asleep when I started this thread late last night), and you do have to marvel at the degree to which they've gone to mimic the style of "hair-bands" of the late 70's. The sound is there, and the look is there too. Really damn creepy, on some levels - and maybe remarkable on other some other level. Maybe I can begin to understand why this is taking off in England -- cuz I can imagine people being amazed at the degree to which it's just like turning back the clock ( That, and probably some serious media saturation and heavy rotation on the right radio stations. )

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Damn it, Jim; we don't care about your squirrel...stay on topic for crying out loud!

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Bev, you were just the first U.K. person around here that I thought of. And "cricket", what's that?? Please explain. The funny thing about all this (according to the AMG bio), is that this band all strarted with the lead singer belting out a fantastic verison of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" in some karaoke bar on New Year's Eve in 1999.