Rooster_Ties

Can someone delete this thread entirely by tomorrow? A little discussion here for several hours (even a few hours more) probably won’t hurt anything — but these sorts of factless charges shouldn’t be allowed to linger, not even as a locked thread. That would be much appreciated.

I’m not questioning your honesty, but this just isn’t the place for vague third-hand charges against specific individuals.

This just isn’t the place for vague charges against specific individuals. One can argue whether other places are (or aren’t) appropriate for that — but this is definitely NOT the forum for it.

Agreed

IMHO, this isn’t the place to air all that — and personally I’d rather keep the Organissimo board out of the business of such speculation. I’m sure a mod or two can weigh in. Our gracious host doesn’t need to have the name of this board attached to any further legs such suggestions might lead to. IMHO, of course. Not trying to be protective of bad actors, nor coming down too hard on you Simon (honestly). But vaguer than vague third-person hearsay about real people probably isn’t good for a public discussion board such as ours. On Reddit or something akin to Usenet forums would be one thing, but let’s not go there here, thank you very much.

I’ll just say ‘perhaps’ with a very lowercase ‘p’. But unless there’s some actual transgressive behavior involving specific other people (bringing actual accusations) that just isn’t publicly known about (and I’m absolutely assuming there isn’t, because Wynton seems to me to probably ok enough as far as all that goes), then this is simply the case of another older, sexist guy — of which there are millions. At 60, he’s simply part of a generation that was guilty of sexism, and a generation that decreasingly matters as much any more. (I’m only 8 years younger than him, and I feel like people my age matter less and less all the time). Hard to imagine anyone trying to single out Wynton, unless there are numerous smoking guns — a dozens emails, etc… It would take a LOT more than simple sexism to be even remotely newsworthy these days.

I think(?) part of what really got to me in the dream, was that a bunch of random people just gettin’ by in the world (not necessarily ’bad’ people, but definitely “chaotic neutral” people if you know what I mean) who thought it was all discarded junk that nobody wanted and had just left behind, and maybe they could get $5 a handful for it somehow. I don’t value any of it as ‘collectable’, and certainly not because it’s ‘collectable’— but I don’t have any of it backed up on hard drives, and my value of my collection is the music itself, which I experience by listening to it from the physical items themselves. And it was all gone before I even knew what happened.

Just woke up suddenly, barely half an hour ago — plus another half hour writing this all out on my phone — at the point in dream where I was suddenly realizing that 80-90% of my jazz and 20th century classical collection (all cd’s), was all gone. For some reason a set of neighbors, a couple (two middle-age women) who were good friends that we’ve known for years — and oddly they were fictitious people in the dream, not actual neighbors or specific people we actually know — but an amalgam of the kinds of people good-hearted, decent people we’ve known and liked best over the years…. And somehow my wife and I, and this couple, all had legit access to another (third) empty neighboring apartment, which we collectively used as a place to hang out (more individually, than as a group), and for extra storage, etc… So naturally, I moved all my jazz and 20th century classical cd’s over there, all my Mosaics too, since my wife has limited interest in listening to that stuff, and I had a nice bookshelf stereo over there, and it was my sort “music” man-cave. So one day I discover some sort of group meeting in this extra apartment space, of maybe 20 people. Some sort of focus group, or Amway sales presentation, or who knows what the hell it was — but the audience was all random people, maybe a little on the “street-people” side of the continuum. And when the meeting was over, I guess(?) everyone thought — what the heck are all these CD’s? Did someone just leave them all behind? (Did they just think it was an empty, abandoned apartment?) And I guess all my jazz books were over there too. And they all decided to take whatever they want, and then it was all gone. A random 10-20% was left over, but it was truly random, as if they’d had no idea whatsoever what any of it was, just stuff to try and — I don’t know — pawn? Or whatever, but they were random people who knew nothing of the music, or of the last 30 years of time and effort it had taken me to assemble. And it was all gone, in 20 different unknown directions, picked over by people who weren’t grabbing for “the good stuff”, but just taking random handfuls for, who knows, just hoping they can get a dollar for each one somewhere. And (in my dream) just as I was coming to terms with the realization of what had happened, that’s when I suddenly woke up, and it took me 10-15 seconds to realize the dream wasn’t real. None of my stuff was gone. It never happened. In the dream it wasn’t a flood carrying everything away, or a fire. But just random strangers from some pyramid scheme sales pitch in-person meeting, taking nearly all my stuff entirely randomly, probably not seeing any of it having more value than pennies on the dollar for what I put into assembling it all. I’m a little shocked how deeply this dream stabbed at me, and felt so real. I’ve had bad dreams before, maybe a handful a year at most, but NEVER, ever about stuff. Sobering. More than I care to admit.

What I want to know, is whether there’s ever been a ‘piano’ corollary to the notion that Ornette Coleman(!) was ultimately and deeply steeped in the blues. Half seriously. I can imagine such an idea in my mind’s eye (really, my mind’s ear) — but I can’t think of who would fit the bill. My sense is that Don Pullen might fit the bill, but I have to confess I don’t know enough of Pullen’s output to know if that comparison is even appropriate. (My sense of Pullen is based more what I think I know about him — way more than what I’ve actually heard). Anybody else?? (Or correct me if I’m off base about considering Pullen in that way).

Pretty sure that’s right.

Just got tickets to hear Nick Mason’s group again — the THIRD time for me — here in DC at the end of January. I’m taking our next door neighbor, who won’t know any of the tunes — but she’s very into post-punk, Gang of Four, Bowie, and the like — so I think she’ll dig it. Yes, my wife’s fine with it. She (my wife) even suggest I ask our neighbor, so I wouldn’t have to go by myself — and the cheapest seats were just $50. Still can’t believe I’m getting to hear such a loose/tight and relatively-improvisational band — with an actual, legit original member of Pink Floyd — playing ALL this incredible, early, early Floyd material — for what will be the frickin’ third(!) time. And here in the US, no less. Unfathomable 5 years ago, that Nick would assemble a group like this, and take ‘em out on the road for two really extended tours, including two BIG stints in the US. Can’t wait! The band plays 100% pre-1973 (pre Dark Side) material — virtually none of which ever got much if any radio-play over the years.

Check all the details of what is a qualifying medical condition. Diabetes (maybe even “pre-diabetes”) counts, so does high blood pressure, or a BMI over 30.0 — plus some others I’ve forgotten the details of. Not everyone does, but there are a lot of ways to qualify.

My 94 year old dad got his 3rd Pfizer shot last Friday, and my wife got hers the Saturday before that. I got a J&J shot originally, so I’m still waiting to get another booster — hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks, and hopefully Pfizer!!

Don’t know about the Herbie Nichols, but Third Season looks like it does/will… https://www.dustygroove.com/item/992282 I’ve got the 2012 CD issue of this, btw, which also has this bonus track. A Slice of the Top and Third Season are my two favorite Hank leader-dates, so I bit on getting the bonus track. Here’s the details of the 2012 CD issue I have… https://www.discogs.com/release/8646582-Hank-Mobley-Third-Season

Is it Nov 15th yet?

Did you ever have any dealings with Sam, by any chance, Chuck? Yes, I’m trying to suss out a story from you, if there’s any to tell. Thx!

Damn!

True, but the date for the TV show happened in-between (in the midst of) the recording dates for KOB, iirc.

That looks like the standard US (non-UK) price too, also w/ free shipping. Serious bargain!

From the YouTube description… >> Here’s a historic TV broadcast of the founding fathers of bebop, Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie, playing together in 1952. It’s one of only two known sound films of Parker playing–and the only one of him playing live, rather than synching to a prerecorded track. The performance is from a February 24, 1952 broadcast on the pioneering DuMont Television Network. The segment begins with a brief ceremony in which Parker and Gillespie receive awards from Down Beat magazine (Earl Wilson and Leonard feather). Follows a performance of the bebop standard “Hot House,” composed by Tad Dameron around the harmonic structure of Cole Porter’s “What Is This Thing Called Love?.” I thought there wasn’t any actual “live” with live-sound footage of Parker in existence — or am I misremembering? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this footage before (just not colorized), so this isn’t footage that’s new to me — just the claim that the sound is ‘live’ and not mimed. (Or maybe I’m conflating two different clips, which is entirely possible too.)

Andrew Hill went by Andrew “Hille” purporting to be from Haiti, and with the spelling change — all to sound a little more exotic. This even made it to an album cover (or two??) early on…

True! But my example with William Rosso and Lee Konitz, wasn’t all polite — or at least not this semi-monstrous 15-minute track.

What about William Rosso? I think(?) I only really know him from An Image: Lee Konitz with Strings — recorded in early 1958.

Weren’t a couple of the most recent sets that way? I can’t remember for sure, but the Joe Henderson and/or Hank Mobley 60’s sets were like that, iirc. Maybe someone else remembers.

Dug out my Turrentine Mosaic, inspired by this thread, and I intend to spin the entire thing today — for the first time in ages.