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They're not losing it, just an approach in search for a different one. The music always is more than the notes, it also encompasses the sound, and that is linked to instruments. Cellos or violins in Bach's time sounded different, that's a fact. The introduction of steel strings and higher tension and modern tunings changes the sound a lot. Like Skip Sempé stated: "In most fine music written before the 1950s, the sound and the composition were linked by the composer. Some performers do not care about this, and some listeners don't care either, but that was clearly the method behind the tradition in question. Without any doubt, this is the manner in which harpsichord music was conceived." I appreciate the approach of a lot of these players, but I just can't get around to like their sound. "These players" being the non-HIP, what some would call "romantic" performers, I assume, or am I misunderstanding what you're saying? I tend to agree with that, though for me it's not a "black and white" case. Ha, I read it that Mike meant the HIP ones with "these players". So clarification would indeed be nice After having played the entire Sonatas/Partitas by Szeryng, I'm now halfway into Zehetmair's recordings. Beautiful just as well!

Gave a first spin to the Suk trio version - it's great! I guess that one, the Rubinstein/Heifetz/Feuermann and the Gilels/Kogan/Rostropovitch rank about the same for me - each one has their merits. And then I've just got another one: Very different, much mellower, but I'm enjoying it a lot, too!

re: Tortelier - sorry, didn't look close enough. The early recording is here: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1713529 And as far as I can read then, it's the same as on the EMI 4CD set: http://www.amazon.com/Bach-violoncelle-Sonates-Partitas-Coffret/dp/B0040UEI5Y/

Good, I wanted to check out more Tortelier anyway - seems this might be an option then! However, a quick search seems to tell me that all available EMI releases contain the second recording (and the comments sound not too great on those). Would this here be the early recording? http://www.emiclassics.com/release/551604,5099964829821/tortelier-paul-sonaten-und-partiten-suiten I've just bought the big Menuhin box, not sure if his Sonatas & Partitas are in there in that - I can just about read that on the back cover on amazon - are his second recording and seem to be previously unissued on CD, so I guess they won't be in the box... but I wonder which version of Tortelier's is in there. The Big Tortelier box also has the 1982 versions, as is stated in a comment here: http://www.amazon.com/Paul-Tortelier-Great-Recordings-Coffret/dp/B0031IHBDC/

It's going cheap, so I ordered the new version of this from amazon. Yes, it is! And the Mercury isn't - please do report!

In my world, nothing is hipper than Szigeti. :tup :tup (Do you know his Beethoven sonatas with Arrau? Bad sound, but the music ... ! Waiting for the Bartók/Szigeti disc right now, I bet it's amazing, too!)

I see - thanks! So, how about Emil Telmányi? He WAS "historically informed", or so he believed, at one time (just as some of those playing today think they are).

So could someone please tell me what HIP means? Serious question! @moms: What do you think of Szigeti and Szeryng? Do you know their Bach? Got Zehetmair in today (he doesn't look too hip to me, but then, what is hip?

Does anyone here actually own the RCA Starker? Chuck?

Some news: Good news, I'd say!

Which meaning of HIP is being referred to here? I've got partial recordings by Heifetz, Rabin (actually just the third sonata), Hahn (haven't yet listened - quite a choice for a debut album!) - and the complete ones by Szeryng (still new, but my impression is that they're absolutely fantastic!), Milstein (I love his tone, generally adore his playing, but yeah, I can kind of relate to those that aren't entirely convinced) and ... Szigeti! Not sure if he's HIP (or hip), but these are stunning performances!

Got the Casals - they're amazing! And then just today got Guido Schiefen's recording, which in its own way is nearly as strong, I think. Thanks for that recommendation, D.D.! I definitely want to check out Fournier, and also Starker - but the later has recorded, it seems around four complete versions, though only two of them seem to be out on CD ... one as pictured above by Mercury, the other by RCA (Sony/BMG/whatever). Do these two RCA editions actually contain the same recording? And which is preferrable? And that's the Schiefen - OOP but around used very cheaply (I practically paid for shipping only from a vendor on amazon.fr).

@Chuck - I realize this is an old thread, but ... no love for Harold Mabern?

In addition to those mentioned, here's boxes by Monk, Evans (Riverside), Ellington (Carnegie Hall), Coltrane, Rollins (Prestige) and I guess others ... all cheap, all with info included, but (I guess - I only got the Rollins and for no real reason) no liners or text at all. These are "original albums" boxes - the Dolphy misses lots of stuff, the Miles (yeah, one more!) and Evans and Trane have lots of discs more than the older boxes, maybe not the Trane though, as they all are missing the sideman albums. So they are typical cheaply done yurpeen no-royalties sets, though coming from the actual owners (or rather: produced by Universal, who distributes Concord in yurp) ... no way you can compare them to the great little boxes (Monk Prestige, Sonny Rollins Freelance, Evans Vanguard, Dexter Prestige etc) that Fantasy put out.

r.i.p. Larance Marable Spinning right now - great album! Also just found this photo by William Claxton: Larance (right) and Philly Joe at Falcon Lair, Beverly Hills

Those among you who enjoyed that should really watch Terence Davies' film "Of Time and the City"! Though maybe not, his remarks on the "Betty Windsor show" mightn't be suited well for monarchistic ears

Jeff: this was discussed in another thread, just found it: And yeah, the Vogue was in the Black Lion Mosaic, it was actually the main reason why that box was called "The Complete Black Lion & Vogue Recordings of Thelonious Monk"

I like it quite some ... don't know his Prestige albums too well yet (only have "Back Country Suite" and the "Greatest Hits" compilation), but these Columbias are fine in my opinion!

Happy Birhtday, Marcel! :party:

Have you ever tried any Feldman in the meantime? The CD with "Rothko Chapel" on it pictured further up in this thread might indeed be a good entrance point. For me, the piano works are most fascinating at this time - the hatNOW CD "Early Piano Works" and the "Last Pieces" CD (plenty of duplication between them but different pianists - Steffen Schleiermacher on the former, Stéphane Ginsburgh on the latter -, different approaches, and the later one adds a long and great late piece ... and just in case, those "last pieces" are early ones, really!).

The Chopin was reissued separately again - still need it. Those are the currently available (French) versions: I've only heard Cziffra with some Chopin on a pair of LPs on Philips ("L'extraordinaire" has a mix of various pieces, some mighty fine, then I have the Philips LP "Chopin: Polonaisen", german edition) but those are interesting enough that I want to get the 5CD set, too! These are older 5CD editions: http://www.amazon.com/Chopin-Works-Piano/dp/B000FOTHDC/ http://www.amazon.com/Chopin-uvres-pour-piano-Box/dp/B00008LLIS/ And this here the 10CD set combining both (I assume): http://www.amazon.com/Chopin-Liszt-Valses-Polonaises-Euvres-Piano-Georges-Cziffra/dp/B001BSH26A/

That's the early 1956/57 recordings, yes? The ones I've heard are the 1972-75 ones (from The Piano Collection). I just bought the early recordings as part of the french 2010 5CD set, which I assume to be a straight reissue of the box you pictured. Still figuring out recording details for that one though, the info in the booklet isn't that exact.

sh, don't tell anyone

I picked up an LP of Brahms' first and third trio of the late 60's Suk Trio (Katchen, Starker) - still mighty fine! Guess I need to find that Supraphon 2CD set, thanks for mentioning it, moms!

Great stuff! Yeah! About half of this weeks's listening was dedicated to that Liszt Piano Collection 10 CD box, and Cziffra (as well as Ogdon's sonata) is outstanding!