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did you get my pm?

added the Dexter to the "Savoy Jazz Originals", forgot it, even though I have it (it's great, but the non-Bud and non-Fats dates lack some alternates).

Maybe - but when Clark or Nichols died they had reached their peak, whereas Randy's top recordings were made after his Riversides. Only with the Roulette/UA sessions in the Mosaic Select he was at his best, and from then ever after. Melba Liston may be the critical ingredient here - her arrangements enhanced Weston's tunes in the best way possible. I cant think of him without thinking of her great arrangements. True! It was a stupid thought anyway... but I'm not sure Clark had reached his peak... anyway, stupid and off topic! The Marrakech solo outing is indeed a very fine one! I couldn't name a favourite of the solos spontaneously (I't tend to name "African Nite" on Owl at this moment). How is the Enja? I never got hold of it! And what do you think of the strings project (one of the last ones by Liston, I think)? I like it alright but it's not one I return to all that often, I'm afraid.

I have only got the Fargo set, nothing else that's in this box... looks great to me! (But it's likely going to be pretty expensive?)

There's still one more Decca not yet on CD, right? I have the Five Spot Verve Elite, the Impulse digipack of New York NY and the ChessMates of the big band one with the spacey title. Favourites are the OJC with Dolphy, the spacey big band one, and the first one, "Jazz Workshop". The Beethoven Hall (it was on CD by Motor Music in the 90s) is alright, too, and somehow I have never really felt like going any further - what I read about later Russell didn't sound that great, and the one I have from later years, "The African Game" (Blue Note) isn't nearly as exciting as any of the early material! And yes indeed, shrdlu, welcome back! We've shortly crossed paths in one of the South African thread a couple of days ago, good to see you back here!

That's the one. The original 10" had a different cover, which I can't seem to find right now... Thanks, Jim! The Columbia never really grabbed me, either... and I prefer the Merrill/Brownie session over the Vaughan one, too (but I'm biased, since Merrill is one of my absolute favourite singers!) As for the Mosaic, I will most likely get it when it goes running low... I have the old twofer with the Benny Carter sessions, haven't played it for quite some time, but it's probably my favourite of these few things I've heard of Sarah Vaughan. There seems to be plenty of good material among her Roulettes to make me want to get the Mosaic, eventually. I'll also look out for some of the Emarcy things mentioned in this thread, though!

That's the Columbia one with Miles, right? Or is there another one?

ooops, I'm getting paranoid I assume... must be the stuff I take against the pain...

What's happening here? sidewinder's "looks familiar" post is now between my and zen's post, but it had been posted further up several hours ago (before my "so the mystery's solved" post, which was my reaction to "looks familiar"). I saw this happening in another thread, yesterday - suddenly an older post gets moved to a newer position! wtf?

Very nice one! It's Wilder sitting in with the Hank Jones Trio (they're on several other Savoy releases, some in their own name).

I got "African Cookbook" (Koch reissue) long after getting "Monterey '66" and to me it never came close to the live album with the extended tunes. It's a fine one, nevertheless. Haven't listened to the Krog/Shepp in a long time. I'll have to put it on the turntable soon. The only Weston sideman recording I have in my collection is on The Warm Sound of Johnny Coles. edit - My mistake - I had it in my head that Randy Weston played on that date, but I just checked and it's Kenny Drew on piano. They do a version of Hi-Fly, and perhaps that's where the thought came from. My Koch reissue says on #2 and #7 ("Where" and "Babe's Blues") Randy's on piano, not on "Hi-Fly" and "Pretty Strange", the other two of his compositions played on this marvellous album. I have never heard the Krog/Shepp, alas.

So the mystery's solved, sidewinder? Only I still believe these were out in the late 90s only, not in the mid 90s. And they didn't ever get obsolete, as the Denon/Savoys were gone at least in part by the time these Atlantic/Savoys arrived. I never saw the Barron, by the way - is that the only one I missed, or have there been more of these?

I just gave a first listen to his most recent effort "Zep Tepi" - it's magnificient! Alex Blake shines on bass, beautifully sounding recording, too! You have all save one his LPs, Lon? Great! So you have both of the Cora LPs, too? I recently found Cora 01 and Pausa (I started a thread about these findings here). Also the solo Freedom (a great one!) and the CTI only have on vinyl.

Ah, is it those you meant, sidewinder? I had one of the Coltrane/Harden ones, "The Countdown Session" I think, it used the 70s double-lp layout, white/creamish frame (there were ones with black frame, too) with smaller image in the center, and I remember seing one of the other Harden/Coltrane items using yet another design I think (similar design I think as I have on a single LP of the Booker Ervin album which has added two bonus tracks of the same band accompanying a singer, the Bird 5LP box was similarly designed as well). But these CDs were late 80s, rather than mid 90s, I think. I bought that Coltrane in the mid 90s, but it looked old and had some patina back then. Gave it away after I got the Savoy/Atlantic 2CD package collecting all three sessions. Anyone has a listing of the Savoy/Atlantic digipack releases? Here are some I am aware of (it seems the series was called "Savoy Jazz Originals" and came out in the US in the late nineties into 2000 or even 2001, I don't have my discs here to check, only the Fats, which is from 2000): - Adderley Brothers - Summer of '55 (2CD) - Yusef Lateef - The Last Savoy Sessions (2CD) - Fats Navarro - Goin' to Minton's - Kenny Dorham - [untitled] - Erroll Garner - Complete Master Takes (2CD) - Art Pepper - The Discovery Sessions - Lee Morgan - The Birth of Hardbop (2CD) - Dexter Gordon - Settin' the Pace some covers: edited to add the Harden/Coltrane cover I forgot... edited to add Dexter Gordon "Settin' the Pace" both to the list and to the covers

I could find no general thread dedicated to Randy Weston, so I figured why not start a new one... Randy Weston Homepage "Zep Tepi" thread Randy Weston Select thread (1) Randy Weston Select thread (2) Randy Weston Select thread (3) Live in St. Lucia DVD thread I have managed to get hold of most of Randy's 80s/90s albums on French Universal and they're a marvellous run, favourites being "Volcano Blues" (the one with Teddy Edwards) and "Saga" (which has recently been reissued in French Universal's Heritage or Anniversary series of beautifully packaged digipacks). His encounter with moroccan Gnaoua musicians are great as well, though that one CD dedicated to Gnaoua music in its entirety actually only features Randy on the shortest track at the end. Also just a few months ago I finally got all four or his Fantasy CDs: These, paired with his Dawn release make up for a great body of work. After having played all of them a somewhat pervert thought arose: what if Weston had died in early 1957 and left us with just these five (six, actually, "Duo & Trio" packs two albums) albums? Would he be of similar mythic stature as, say Herbie Nichols, or Sonny Clark? His Mosaic Select, then, is even better - some terrific music to be found on it, likely his first really original music. The session with Hawk is terrific, KD, Copeland, Sulieman, Haynes and others can do no wrong, and the two "concept" albums on the third disc are very, very good, too, in my opinion. Other personal favourites include "Monterey '66" (with Booker Ervin sitting in), "Carnival" (live in Montreux, with Billy Harper) and the big band effort "Tanjah". In fact, I have yet to hear a mediocre Weston album... (but I think about ten of the albums on his website's discography I don't have, so...) Anyway, why I wanted to post in a Randy Weston thread today is because since a couple of weeks I have seen a new reissue of his three 1989 albums (Portraits of Duke, Portraits of Monk, Self Portraits) that is available here for budget prize in that nice digipack layout from French Universal (same packaging as these Heritage/Anniversary series reissues or the recent Mingus "Great Concert" 2CD set... I got the "Complete America" Mingus from German Amazon and it was packed in a slim digipack... quite a letdown, but it's about the music of course... now back on topic). It seems this is a limited edition (at least it says so on the cover). The new cover is a variant of the "Self Portraits" cover, I am allowed only 10 images in this post, so I omit the new one as the only one I could find (here, courtesy of French Amazon) is in bad quality anyway. Here are the original covers (reproduced in the new package, too): These were recorded in three consecutive days and marked the beginning of his tenure with producer Jean-Philippe Allard, who produced all (?) of Randy's great Universal albums in the years to follow, up to "Spirit! The Power of Music" in 1999. A great run of albums in ten years! The 1989 session features an editions of the African Rhythms band (Jamil Nasser on bass and Neil Clarke on percussion) with Idris Muhammad sitting in. You can check for complete info, including liner notes (all reproduced in the new reissue) on the Weston homepage.

So most would agree the Mosaic is not prime material? I only have very few of her recordings so far: a one disc on Columbia with the Miles sides, not sure that's the one that gets recommended in the first posts, and the Brownie session, also "Crazy & Mixed Up", that's it. Took a note with some recommendations, thanks everybod!

Definitely something else, then... never heard of these or saw one!

The cardboard "Savoy Originals" (doubles of Cannonball/Nat, Coltrane/Harden, singles of Navarro, Pepper, Dorham a.o.)? Those were late 90s, I think. The Lateef I have has the very same design but is packed in a slim a jewel case. Or are you talking of something else again?

I missed their Zurich concert, but from the review I heard it was *very* weak. And Robinson was terribly out of tune all evening long... the disc seems to be rather tame, I read.

No problem, Mister Swede! I had a tooth extracted yesterday and wasn't up to anything more intelligent than some typing... I wondered, too, about the weird sequence of the catalogue numbers - makes sense they were not released in numerical order, as that way you'd have had several releases by the same artists in one go, which wouldn't be the most effective marketing strategy, I assume.

I still wasn't able to locate that Miller box Garth, I finally was able to check the jazz & jive disc ("Drum - South African Jazz & Jive 1954-60", Line Records, MSCD 9.01092 O, in case anyone wants the exact info), and Jimmy Pratt is the leader (with Lemmy Special & Miriam Makeba) of "Rockin' in Rhythm" (#12). The back of the booklet features a photo of Pratt's at a 1958 session with Kippie and General Duze (guitar) and unknown musicians.

Using brownie's list of 1993 issues (I have that one, too, in a cover of a disc I have), plus using two more covers of mine (the three are Red Rodney "Fiery", Byrd/Jenkins "Jazz Eyes" and Lester Young's "The Master's Touch") I can make a pretty long list. All typed up by hand, so forgive typos, please! The items with a asterisk are taken from the US Savoy/Atlantic 2001 edition of "Bill Dixon 7-tette/Archie Shepp and the NY Contemporary Five" and are identical to the same version of Hank Jones Trio with Guests "Bluebird". The titles listed on those lists are identical to the SV0xxx titles, but they have SVYxxx numbers, instead. The ones listed doubly (thus not with an asterisk below, but also present in the identical lists of the Jones and Dixon/Shepp) are: 101, 102, 104, 105, 109, 111, 112, 115, 116, 118, 120, 123, 126, 127, 128, 147-152, 155-160, 162, 163, 170, 173, 175, 177, 180, 221, 226, and 237. Thus I assume at least all these, plus the asterisk ones, have also seen US release before 2001. I have never found out if those were the same ones as distributed in Japan (printed by Nippon Columbia Co., Ltd) or not, but a comment above (from Lon) indicates that yes, they were most likely identical. I have no idea if the US series left out the missing numbers, since I have no other reference but the two CD booklets... I do assume though that the listing on the Savoy website (referenced above) would deliver at least a partial answer, in that it quite certainly lists more of these SVYxxx items than the ones I mention here. The 2001 editions (of which I have "Bluebird" and the Dixon/Shepp) are something else again, called "Super Safer" or something, and adding alternates/additional material. They're packed in regular jewel cases, too, but with see-through trays and adds for/covers of four more titles, alas three are the same in the two discs I have, making the total items I'm aware of 5, only: SVY17092 - A.K. Salim - Pretty For The People SVY17093 - Ernie Wilkins - Top Brass SVY17094 - Bill Dixon 7-tette / Archie Shepp and the New York Contemporary 5 SVY17095 - Hank Jones Trio - Bluebird [which is the trio with many several guests, actually] SVY17096 - Slam Stewart - Bowin' Singin' Slam I have no idea what SVY17091 was, and I don't know if more titles ever were released. The only two I ever saw, I bought... So then, here's the main list: SV0101 - Charlie Parker Memorial Vol. 1 - Charlie Parker SV0102 - Charlie Parker Memorial Vol. 2 - Charlie Parker SV0103 - The Genius Charlie Parker Vol. 3 - Charlie Parker SV0104 - The Genius Charlie Parker Vol. 4 - Charlie Parker SV0105 - The Charlie Parker Story - Charlie Parker SV0106 - Telefunken Blues - Kenny Clarke SV0107 - Bohemia After Dark - Kenny Clarke SV0108 - Presenting Cannonball Adderley - Cannonball Adderley SV0109 - Opus de Jazz - Milt Jackson SV0110 - Roll 'em Bags - Milt Jackson SV0111 - Modern Jazz Quartet - Milt Jackson SV0112 - Blue Lester - Lester Young SV0113 - The Master's Touch - Lester Young SV0114 - No Count - Frank Foster SV0115 - Surfride - Art Pepper SV0116 - Introducing - Lee Morgan SV0117 - I Just Love Jazz Piano - Paul Smith etc. SV0118 - Opus de Bop - Stan Getz SV0119 - Jazz at Hotchkiss - George Wallington SV0120 - Dexter Rides Again - Dexter Gordon SV0121 - Mainstream 1958 - Wilbur Harden SV0122 - Jazz Way Out - Wilbur Harden SV0123 - Nostalgia - Fats Navarro SV0124 - The King and I - Wilbur Harden SV0125 - Tanganyika Strut - Wilbur Harden/John Coltrane SV0126 - Nica's Tempo - Gigi Gryce SV0127 - Bluesette - Curtis Fuller SV0128 - Imagination - Curtis Fuller SV0129 - Images - Curtis Fuller SV0130 - Do It Yourself Jazz - Duke Jordan/Hall Overton SV0131 - Wilden n' Wilder - Joe Wilder SV0132 - Byrd's Word - Donald Byrd SV0133 - The Jazz Message of Hank Mobley - Hank Mobley SV0134 - Curtis Fuller Jazztet - Curtis Fuller SV0135 - Patterns of Jazz - Cecil Payne SV0136 - The George Wallington Trio - George Wallington SV0137 - Opus de Blues - Frank Wess SV0138 - Bluebird - Hank Jones SV0139 - Noth, South, East... Wess - Frank Wess SV0140 - Footloose - Paul Bley SV0141 - Jazz Sahib - Sahib Shihab SV0142 - Blues Suite - A.K. Salim SV0143 - Bird's Night - Phil Woods SV0144 - Opus de Swing - Frank Wess SV0145 - Midnight Session - Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers SV0146 - That's Nat - Nat Adderley SV0147 - The Hank Jones Quartet - Hank Jones SV0148 - Fiery - Red Rodney SV0149 - Trio & Quartet - Duke Jordan SV0150 - Cookin' - Booker Ervin SV0151 - J.J. Johnson's Jazz Quintet - J.J. Johnson SV0152 - Groovin' High - Dizzy Gillespie SV0153 - Jazz... It's Magic - Curtis Fuller SV0154 - An Evening at HOme with The Bird - Charlie Parker SV0155 - The Bird Returns - Charlie Parker SV0156 - Newly Discovered Sides by Charlie Parker - Charlie Parker SV0157 - School Days - Dizzy Gillespie SV0158 - Jazz Message of Hank Mobley Vol. 2 - Hank Mobley SV0159 - First Miles - Miles Davis SV0160 - Great Britains - Marian McPartland/George Shearing SV0161 - Two Altos - Art Pepper/Sonny Red SV0162 - Penthouse Serenade - Erroll Garner SV0163 - Jay and Kai - J.J. Johnson & Kai Winding SV0164 - Jazz West Coast Live / Hollywood Jazz Vol. 1 - Dexter Gordon & Wardell Gray SV0165 - Jazz West Coast Live / Hollywood Jazz Vol. 2 - Bopland Boys SV0166 - Jazz West Coast Live / Hollywood Jazz Vol. 3 - Bop Jam Allstars SV0167 - Howard McGhee & Milt Jackson SV0168 - Move - Red Norvo SV0169 - In the Beginning the Bop - Fats Navarro etc. SV0170 - The Champ - Dizzy Gillespie SV0171 - Jazz Composers Workshop - Charles Mingus SV0172 - Meet Milt Jackson - Milt Jackson SV0173 - The Jazz Skyline - Milt Jackson SV0174 - All About Ronnie - Ronnie Ball SV0175 - Jackson's Ville - Milt Jackson SV0176 - Jazz Men Detroit - Kenny Clarke SV0177 - Dizzy Gillespie Story - Dizzy Gillespie SV0178 - Jazz Is Busting Out All Over SV0179 - Opus de Jazz Vol. 2 - Johnny Rae SV0180 - Jazz Immortal Series - The Pres Lester Young SV0181 - SV0182 - SV0183 - SV0184 - SV0195 - SV0186 - SV0187 - SV0188 - SV0189 - SV0190 - SV0191 - *SV0192 - Jazz Recital - Charlie Byrd *SV0193 - Yardbird Suite - Herbie Mann SV0194 - SV0195 - SV0196 - SV0197 - SV0198 - *SV0199 - Joe Williams Sings - Joe Williams SV0200 - SV0201 - SV0202 - SV0203 - SV0204 - SV0205 - SV0206 - SV0207 - *SV0208 - Midnight on Cloud 69 - George Shearing Quartet/Red Norvo Trio SV0209 - SV0210 - SV0211 - SV0212 - *SV0213 - Futuristic SOunds of Sun Ra - Sun Ra SV0214 - SV0215 - SV0216 - SV0217 - SV0218 - SV0219 - SV0220 - SV0221 - Serenade to Laura - Erroll Garner SV0222 - Ernie Wilkins - Kenny Clarke Septet SV0223 - Erroll Garner - Billy Taylor SV0224 - The Jazz Keyboards SV0225 - By the Fireside - Paul Smith SV0226 - Looking for a Boy - Marian McPartland SV0227 - Loadced - Vido Musso Stan Getz SV0228 - The Jazz We Heard Last Summer - Herbie Mann SV0229 - Encore - Eddie Bert SV0230 - Jazz Eyes - John Jenkins/Donald Byrd SV0231 - Ringside at Condon's - Eddie Condon SV0232 - Serenade in Blue - Al Caiola SV0233 - Every Breath I Take - Marlene SV0234 - Portrait - Johnny Coates Jr. SV0235 - Dancin' Jazz - Billy Ver Plank SV0236 - Hank Jones Quartet SV0237 - Jazz Moods - Yusef Lateef SV0238 - New Advanced Jazz - Valdo Williams SV0239 - Very Truly Yours - Jimmy Scott SV0240 - The Jazz Hours - Various Artists *SV0241 - Savoy Jazz Christmas Blues - Various Artists SV0242 - SV0243 - SV0244 - SV0245 - SV0246 - SV0247 - SV0248 - SV0249 - SV0250 - SV0251 - Discoveries - Cannonball Adderley SV0252 - SV0253 - SV0254 - SV0255 - SV0256 - SV0257 - SV0258 - SV0259 - SV0260 - SV0261 - *SV0262 - Candy - Big Maybelle *SV0263 - All Over Again - Jimmy Scott *SV0264 - Mister B. and the Band - Billy Eckstine *SV0265 - Have No Fear, Joe Turner Is Here - Big Joe Turner SV0266 - *SV0267 - The Savoy Sessions - Red Norvo *SV0268 -Savoy Jam Party - Don Byas SV0269 - *SV0270 - The Greatest Group of Them All - The Ravens I don't know if there were more titles after SV0270. If anyone can help filling gaps or answering some of the questions I ask in the preliminary write-up, please step ahead and help!

too many things... had to get rid of one of those sane tooths and did some pre-horror shopping... The second Weston is a limited 3CD reissue of his three 1989 albums (Potraits of Duke, Potraits of Monk & Self Potraits). Highly welcome since I never managed to get hold of the Duke and I got this one for 15€, which here is budget prize for 1 (ONE!) CD...

I might still get the RVG... it has a differently coloured cover, so I can trick myself into believing it's a different record, right?

up for some air!