Eric

I think it would be more accurate to descibe Muse as the BN and Prestige of the 70s and 80s versus the 60s. To my knowledge, Muse was not active until the 70s (although they occasionally issued material recorded in the 60s.) In terms of historical significance, I would place them closer to Prestige than BN, but I think that sort of comparison is missing the point a bit. Muse was probably the most recorded independent label of the era and it certainly kept the torch burning for jazz rooted in bop and hard bop (although they veered into more avant garde territory on occasion). Others will have their favorites, but I really enjoy the Woody Shaw lps. All of those have been reissued. Ricky Ford had a pretty nice run as well, although aside from a compilation, none of it has made it to CD. Bill Hardman has three very nice lps that have never made it to CD, which is a real shame. I like the Walter Bishop Jr. lps from the 70s, but again, nothing on CD. Both the Bishop and Hardman material is hard bop oriented, but well done IMHO. Bill Barron had a couple three great lps. Another favorite - Donald Brown - the pianist from Memphis. Most of his work (maybe 5-6 CDs) was done in the 80s and can be found with some searching. Very nice writing and a mix of players over the CDs. Finally, I love the Mickey Tucker lps. In a simialr vein as the Hardman and Bishop, but again very well done - fresh-sounding and rewarding hard bop. Ooops - don't forget James Spaulding. Again, much of his work (maybe 3-4 albums) made it to CD and are "out there". I am just scratching the surface - Kenny Burrell had a nice run on Muse as did Charles Earland, Groove Holmes and others. There is a LOT more to the catalog that what I have mentioned - just some favorites that come to mind. A few other points. I always thought the quality of the lp pressings was pretty lousy. Also, there is no active reissue program on CD. 32 Jazz did a pretty decent job for a while, but they are out of business. Savoy has picked up the catalog, but aside from a few straight reissues of the 32 Jazz reissues, they have not shown any interest in the catalog. Having said that, I generally think you can find the 32 Jazz CDs around - either new or used.

800 lbs. is a LOT of yech I hope they get every penny - that is pretty disgusting

????? That was my thought...but....??? my thought too ...

Mike, How do you like Now? Thanks

Thanks Mike ... turns out I have been ripping and burning without knowing the proper terms B-)

what is the difference?

For me, it's that, and the fact that I always have 90+ % of the music already. Same sad story for the Turrentine, Vaughan, Donaldson, Farlow, Vee Jays, etc etc. Sets I've wanted (and suggested) for years and years, but have managed to all but assemble myself via import CD's and CDR's of OOP LP's over the years. I'd love to have complete sets, and those terrific booklets, but I just don't have hundreds of dollars to throw around (especially when I keep spending what I have on individual jazz and brazilian CD's)... I COULD buy them anyway, but with two kids headed for college... my conscience intervenes. I wish Mosaic had gotten some of these sets out years ago... 'aint it the damn truth? I don't think I lack any of this in one form or another ...

Interesting - a much better price. I wonder if the packaging is identical, if the set is numbered, etc.

Eric, is it something other than the Suisa or the Philology? The Suisa disc ("Private Recordings & Rarities") only includes 4 tracks from the german session. I also bought the Philology ("Live In Europe"), which has (all?) 8 tracks. Jim, OK, here is what I have: The Definitive CD in question includes 4 tracks from Hamburg on 4/30/65: Twisted Blues Four on Six Here's That Rainy Day Blue Monk (with Johnny Griffin) Sidemen are Michel Gaudry, Martial Solal and Ronnie Stephenson. I also have a Philology CD (97-2, Wes Montgomery Live in Europe) that includes the same four tracks by the same personnel. The only difference is that the date given for these tracks is "probably March 1965". Timings are very similar, within a few seconds of each other. I also A-B'd them and believe they are the same performances.

Incorrect. This stuff has been out for 10+ years on CD (Suisa and Philology). The Feb. 12th material (all but one track) was out on vinyl (Beppo) many years earlier. The date for the german recording has always been given as March 1965... http://www.gould68.freeserve.co.uk/wes3.htm Thanks for the correction - I should have checked that site - a good one btw. Turns out I have the German tunes on another CD ...

Great call on Jimmy Smith! I am going to suggest Coltrane - Giant Steps. No great metaphor, there, I just think of it as bold, cocky and more than ready for a new beginning!

OK dude ... it was a major sporting disappointment. Sorry; I didn't mean it as the "I'm more worldly than you" snide type comment it came across as, I just mean I wasn't that disappointed. I haven't had any emotion vested in Olympic basketball since we pulled a hissy fit and demanded that pros be allowed to compete. Well, so much for that excuse; our pros can't win either... By the way, guys, I don't think it should be discounted that the international game is not the "natural" game for NBA players; I mean it must take something away from you to have to play by rules that you otherwise don't see. It seems to me that we'd be better off with college players in the Olympics anyway, just to deal with the zone. Sorry, didn't mean to not give you the benefit of the doubt ... feeling quite surly at the time. Yeah, I tend to agree with you ... I could really have cared less ... it seems that some of the "mitigating factors" - while valid individually, still added up to a US team that did not play up to their potential. College hoop rules though ...

OK dude ... it was a major sporting disappointment.

Or stop thinking that "NBA = USA" ??? 2004 non-USA NBA Olympians: ARGENTINA: Carlos Delfino, Detroit Pistons Emanuel Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs Andres Nocioni, Chicago Bulls CHINA: Yao Ming, Houston Rockets LITHUANIA: Darius Songaila, Sacramento Kings NEW ZEALAND: Sean Marks, San Antonio Spurs PUERTO RICO: Carlos Arroyo, Utah Jazz Peter John Ramos, Washington Wizards Daniel Santiago, Milwaukee Bucks SERBIA-MONTENEGRO: Peja Drobnjak, Charlotte Bobcats Nenad Krstic, New Jersey Nets Aleksandar Pavlovic, Cleveland Cavaliers Vladimir Radmanovic, Seattle Sonics SPAIN: Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies Yes, but we have the other ~ 500 players to fill out our team plus cream of the crop collegians if we choose. Face it folks, no matter how you slice it, this was an all-around disaster.

Congrats, Take 5!!! This is one of my favorite Mosaics. The liner notes by Cuscuna are also quite informative and at times, touching. Enjoy!!! Now we just need the live Columbia stuff, as hinted it in the booklet. Although, as speculated elsewhere, the relatively slow sales of the studio sides may have tempered Mosaic's enthusiam for such a set ...

Four tracks recorded at the Half Note in 1965 on February 12th with Mabern, Arthur Harper and Jimmy Lovelace. Four tracks recroded in Germany on April 30th with Martial Solal, Michel Gaudry and Ronnie Stephenson (and Johnny Griffin on one track). As far as I know, all previously unreleased, although I feel more certain that is the case for the US date. Good sound, great playing by Wes. I have this - a very strong buy

He was one of the original "Parker Brothers"

family trumps all - move home

Wow - that was pretty damn descriptive. I can only imagine ...

The contrast in the descriptions is a scream ... one could start a new thread on the topic (i.e. The Bastards vs AMG) ...

Rooster/Tom, I am not aware of any electric stuff he has done recently. Good thread - I actually prefer Henderson's stuff of this era to Herbie's - not by a wide margin, but I do think it is a little nastier B-)

Only thing I might add from a potential buyer's perspective, is that most of this is now out on CD - so you can pick and choose. BTW, when I say most, I am taking into consideration that the complete Woody Shaw live stuff will be out in the next month. http://www.fantasyjazz.com/catalog/henders..._cat.html#47104

read it last night - I agree with the above comments I wish jazz criticism was as candid

Economist a bunch of (groan) trade publications

I would think any self-respecting artist (black or otherwise) would appreciate being left off that shitty list ...