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Thank you sgcim, some familiar titles among those, so I'll look into the measures you are referring to.

Thank you Jsngry, for your explanation. It is a bit much to comprehend for me right now. I'll first focus on recognizing the intervals and will get back to looking into this more and how to approach getting it in my system. I have sung parts and have been asked to do so, yes. I did study my parts by writing the parts in Sibelius and then learning by ear and also while knowing a song already, trusting my ear and feeling. I know about altered chords and have noticed them in some tunes but like I've said I'm just getting started learning theory so I haven't mastered all of this yet in understanding and using it to my advantage. I do plan to, so thanks again for your help. I'll listen to Blue 7 again and will try to find the chart to understand better.

Thank you JSngry. I did notice this tune by Rollins. I don't think it is played often at sessions around here and I'm not familiar with it yet. I did notice it on a list and listened to it and since there was a long bass intro I'll have to look where the interval is exactly. I'll try to memorize the melody. It's just the first two notes of the head. The third of the key dropping down to the flat (i.e. - "blue") 7th. In Bb, it's a D down to an Ab The interesting part of the tune, though, is that after that, there's a phrase that runs between that flat 7th and the flatted fifth of the chord (Ab-E-F-G-Ab-E...I spell it E, which makes it a #4, but I'm a tenor player, and I'd really rahter not think about Fb , the sound is of a flatted fifth, that' what matters), an interval of a major third, but resulting in the sound of a flatted fifth. So if you want to get the sound of the interval of the flatted fifth, you use the first two notes of the melody. But if you want the sound of the flatted fifth note, you use a different note of the song, the note the phrase resolves to. I would humbly suggest learning both the sound of the intervals, and the sound of the notes within the chords, so you can hit them cold if need be., go right to that flatted fifth or #9. Thank you. I'not sure I fully understand what you mean. Sorry, I'm a non- native English speaker and also still learning about chords and music theory. Even though I had piano lessons for some years as a child, the teacher didn't teach me about chords themselves, to understand them. I'll have to study the tune to understand what you mean. I need to hear a reference note or chord to sing since I don't have absolute pitch. If you mean you can train to know where a note is in reference to another one, I know about that. When I was singer with this big band, there was a tune with a modulation without the key changing in the score for the band. That was a challenge since the band stayed in the same key while I technically had to do the modulation on my own. I first asked the help of the pianist to help me through the passage, but studied on getting it/ the exact sound in my memory. There is a name for that, but I can't come up with it now. One time at a concert, the pianist either forgot about the passage or I just couldn't hear him, so I had to do it on my own but since I had studied it so often I could. When I sing my own songs accapella at home and later check for the key, I'm usually in the right one. So there is something like an auditive memory. In the song, are you talking about an Ab chord or an E chord? Since I don't know the song, I'll have to look for the leadsheet to see where you mean exactly and what note you are referring to. It is probably in the RB, is it not? Thanks for these. I did run into a few lists myself. With Star Trek you mean the series or the movies? I did watch the series as a kid but never saw the movies. I'm not much into SF I'm afraid. I'll check which tunes for familiar tunes. I don't know about U.S. series most of the time and it is indeed the best idea to make your own list with familair tunes, that was my plan indeed. That would be great, thanks Dana! Last night in bed I was singing them in my head and figured I might have to look at the tunes I wrote myself too since those are in my head anyway. One of them has a ascending minor 6th (same as Black Orpheus) and I was using that one all ready. I'll post my list too, it seems there are less tunes for descending intervals on existing lists. Busy day, hopefully tomorrow. Take your time. I can't learn each interval in one day anyway, I need time to practise. So I've started on the small intervals to listen to and recognize with some ear training program. Thanks, all of you. I'm really happy with your help! Kind regards, page

Happy Birthday, Tom!

That would be great, thanks Dana! Last night in bed I was singing them in my head and figured I might have to look at the tunes I wrote myself too since those are in my head anyway. One of them has a ascending minor 6th (same as Black Orpheus) and I was using that one all ready. I'll post my list too, it seems there are less tunes for descending intervals on existing lists.

Thank you JSngry. I did notice this tune by Rollins. I don't think it is played often at sessions around here and I'm not familiar with it yet. I did notice it on a list and listened to it and since there was a long bass intro I'll have to look where the interval is exactly. I'll try to memorize the melody.

Thanks for the tip. I'd better take a train then. The roads are too crowded for that even at the country side. We have a small country. Thank you. Yes, I realized too late that I had posted in the wrong section. Ah, it already has been moved. Thank you!

Mark Murphy came here a few years ago to perform at the Bimhuis. My favourite national jazz pianist Rob van Bavel was going to accompany him with his trio. I had booked tickets but the day before the concert my friend cancelled since his father was on his death bed. Even though it was not my father, it felt not right going to the concert. The chance Mark Murphy will perform here again is slim.

Hi all, i'm working on my ear training and I'm making a list of songs to help me remember the intervals. I've found some tunes I am familar with for most intervals. There are a few intervals though that give a bit of trouble and I'd like to ask your help in what has helped you while you were learning. The intervals I have the most trouble with are - augmented 4th (especially descending) could anyone recommend some songs for this one. For ascending I have "Maria" and "The Simpsons" but I'd be happy with some more titles. - minor 7th, ascending and descending, so far I have "Somewhere" (Westside Story) for ascending and "Watermelon Man". Some more titles would come in handy. - Major 7th (especially descending, I only found "I love you" by Cole Porter 'till now.) For ascending I have "Ceora" and "Don't know why" (Norah Jones), more titles are welcome. I'd prefer songs with vocals since I find it easier to remember the lyrics along with the intervals, but any names of tunes you did find helpful are welcome. I'd be happy to post the list I've decided on as soon as I have the tunes with accompanying intervals in my head should anyone be interested. Thank you for your time reading. Kind regards, page

I see. There is a lot to copyright, it is complicated and I understand from a photographer who is a friend of mine that a lot gets stolen while as an artist you can't really do anything about it. Not every one is famous and has money to take a violater to court. That sucks. Now copyright laws in the U.S. and Europe differ somewhat. I understand from the story there is a culture of sueing in the U.S. and the fair use as opposite movement against that which makes sense. I just mentioned the asking permission since that would avoid a lot of trouble in the first place.

I do not understand why you say that technically he didn't really have to. Copyright is there to protect artists. A photograph is a work of art just as well as a recorded song. Because this should be considered sufficiently transformative to fall under fair use. Furthermore, the balancing test would (or certainly should) indicate that this would have no "market harm" to the copyright holder. Well I can imagine the photographer not looking at it that way. I think the issue is that one should ask permission no matter the intention what to do with it.

Happy Birthday!

Me neither, but I didn't know her either, probably since I'm not from the U.S. There are more fathers who wrote songs for their daughter, it's a special bond.

I do not understand why you say that technically he didn't really have to. Copyright is there to protect artists. A photograph is a work of art just as well as a recorded song.

Hi Flat5. Yes, I can hear that. I had a look at an arrangement of Bandstand Boogie which he composed. It is a transcription I think since his name is not listed as arranger but Elgart is mentioned. Since there isn't a cs, it is hard to tell whether it is totally correct but I did look at the tenor sax part and tpt 1 part and I think that that is correct. If you want to have a look at it too, just let me know.

Hey Flat5! It might be Charles Albertine. I've found his name at a website where someone commented about the arranging. Apparently he began arranging for the brothers in 1954.

Yeah, I thought so. I can't really order from abroad through the internet, so I realize my changes are slim anyway, but I'll look out for his name. Thanks again.

Thanks for the fun music. R.I.P. Phil.

That's the one. Tim Brewer on bass and John Cushon on drums. Wish there was more Luqman on that album, but there isn't. Ah, I wish you hadn't given those names away, I had hoped to still find them. Anyway, thanks for putting him on your BFT. Yeah, a pity there aren't more songs of his on that album, some interesting jazz musicians present though. I told a friend today about his music and he said he'd make a note on some app in case he comes over here for a concert. I noticed though while looking for tour dates that the last years he only performed in K.C., so that would mean I would have to come and visit, lol. M.G. and felser, thanks, it was fun to do a bit of research. I like to get to know a bit of background anyway and I was intrigued about his name change. It turns out he became a muslim in the sixties already and changed his name later because of that. I am going to see if I can get either of the two albums he made in 2000 around here somewhere. That will be difficult probably, but I hope I can get at least one. This is what he says about his name: “God gave me Luqman Hamza”, Luqman would proclaim. “I am responsible for that name.” ( "A man named Luqman is mentioned in the Quran as the wise man, and Hamzah is the name of the Prophet Mohammad’s uncle.") I think I had a "Lakman" in one of my classes years ago, I was a primary schoolteacher at that time. I think that boy was from Pakistan and a muslim as well. I rather like it that Luqman says that he is responsible to act on his name, or at least that is what I understand he means to say with it.

Ok, I've found the album: so no. 2 is Larry Cummings Quartet - When you surrender album: The Clear Sounds of Kansas City Jazz (1989, Sprint). Vocals: Larry Cummings/Luqman Hamza. The guitarist is Will Mathews, didn't find the names of the other personnel yet.

Ah, ok that explains it not being listed anywhere. I was really disappointed that i couldn't play the sound file I found of that 78. I would love to hear it. Man, what a stunning voice that guy has! I don't consider it back ground music at all btw. They did another 78 song, I'll look up the title since I've forgotten the title all ready.

Really nice album Spontooneous, I couldn't download earlier than today, but I have been looking and searching this afternoon. I came to 2 solutions so far. no 2. Luqman Hamza – When you surrender Stunning voice. I didn’t know about him but fell in love the minute I listened to the song. Like Hardbopjazz I expected it to be from the album “When a smile overtakes a frown”. Since you say it is from another recording I’m taking a gamble to the time he still called himself Larry Cummings since I haven’t been able to find it on any other album and I expect you do not mean a compilation album. I was confused since I read somewhere he co-wrote the song but while checking that the song wasn’t registered in his name at all. I later found out that he changed his name so his name is registered after all with this song. (I did wonder at first like something had happened similar like with Miles Davis and Bill Evans with the Kind of Blue album since Bill Evans didn’t get credit since he wrote for Miles at the time.) Anyway this recording was in 1952 and with his band. So fingers crossed for: Larry Cummings & his Rhythm Aces – When you surrender personnel: Eugene "Jeep" Griddine - guitar, Lucky Wesley - bass, Larry Cummings (Luqman Hamza)- piano & percussion & vocals, Eddie Saunders -sax, Rico Kemp -guitar I found a picture of the single, but couldn’t listen to check whether this is right. Probably not since he himself stated that his voice was lighter at that time and became more strong. I really thought it was the recording of the “When a smile overtakes a frown” since I did listen to that one and it seemed to sound the same. It was fun to do the research on this, a thrill to find out about the name change, lol. Nice bit of history there. Ah, I just see you say it is from an album, the one I mention is a 78. no 11. Jessica Lurie Ensemble – I don’t care if I don’t care – album Shop of Wild dreams Personnel: Jessica Lurie: alto and tenor sax, flute, accordion, baritone ukulele, voice; Eric Deutsch: piano, electric keyboard, Rhodes; Brandon Seabrook: guitar, banjo, tape recorder; Todd Sickafoose: acoustic bass; Allison Miller: drums; Elizabeth Pupo-Walker: percussion; Tina Richerson: baritone sax. On this song just voice, piano, guitar, bass and drums I think, so that would mean: Jessica Lurie, Eric Deutsch, Brandon Seabrook, Todd Sickafoose and Allison Miller. Ah, I see jeffcrom beat me to this one. I'm happy that I did find out about the vocal tunes at least. no 13 Not Breuker? Ok. After HP's comment I figured he was right since it sounds so much like the Willem Breuker Kollectief.

I didn't know that he did. It is often difficult to translate in such a way which is accurate as well as truthful to the phrasing and meaning at the same time. I do feel that when you wrote a song yourself with the lyrics as well as the music you'll have the liberty to translate in the way that you'll find suitable since you are the person that felt the song in the first place. Since emphasis is very different in English and Portuguese I am not surprised he changed some parts. It is fun to sing a song in more languages than one. I've made some Dutch translations myself of some jazz standards. Mainly bossas among those since I love the bossa. Haven't translated from Portuguese yet, although I'd love to make a Dutch version of "O Cantador". I did make a translation of "(Odio l') Estate" which is Italian. I see there are French translations of "Agua de Marcho", I'm going to look into that. About wikipedia, I do not believe they always have the correct information. I remember that Horace Silver thread, wikipedia posted the rumour as fact too. Just a note, doesn't mean the above isn't correct but just something to keep in mind I think.

Aw, that flautist must be devastated. How awful!

Happy Birthday!