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Pretty vinyl, lousy record. Don't be taken in!

They got it for sale here, fwiw: https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/6898717?ev=rb

I don't think that everyone should hear these, but they are kind of obscure, and i do find them interesting on several level. and this one...don't know that I've actually heard it yet, so I think I should hear it, never mind everybody!

Stan Kenton dseemed to have a thing for that one. Those seems kind of silly, even for Kenton. Whatever Pete Rugolo was up to, I can hear but not feel. And then again, I like June Christy well enough but this doesn't grab me at all. No real breath in there, and those lyrics very much seem to me to need all kinds of breath. I think Bill Mathieu got it right in Kentonian terms. This one I can hear and feel..."Stan Kenton" was always as good as his writers, and Mathieu was a badass mofo as far as that thing went. This thing breathes, sighs, screams, cries, hell yeah, Bill Mathieu.

Gitler a lot of times seems corny in retrospect )to me), but his "I was there, here's what I saw" recountings of those Prestige sessions still rings true, warm, and sincere to me. Compared to Feather's "hey, look what I'm making, either on this record or in my book" vibe, which also rings true, but in the sense that it is true that there are assholes in this world and in this business.

You've provided two cuts from EOTH, neither of which I recognized, one of which I liked a big whole lot, the other which I found kind of annoying. For me, all of this adds up a need to revisit ETOH more than just casually, so thank you for that!

I was looking at CT's response, but either way, onscreen character identification skills continue to deteriorate...

Shepp, genius? Street-smart scrappy survivalist musical anthropologist of the highest order, hell yeah. Perhaps that's it's own type of genius, but when I think of "genius", I think of a vision that creates itself beyond the currently known visions. Shepp...propagandist/dramatist, again, of the highest order, but I think of him not so much as a visionary as a re-director and/or redefine(r) of known visions - something that W. Marsalis also undertook, but with woefully inadequate/limited vision and contextual comprehension with which to work. And infinitely more financial reward. Just to be clear, I love Shepp. Perhaps/likely, "words like "genius" are ultimately irrelevant, especially now that it's been more fully monetized (which means it can ultimately be metricized, and hi, 3 gallons of genius, please!).

If "pop songs regardless of era" counts as a genre, my reflex responses are "The Night Has A Thousand Eyes" and "P.S. I Love You". "Midnight Creeper"/"Midnight Creep" is/was a common expression in "blues cultures", so that's probably why it got used so much, everybody knew what it meant. You could probably do a scholarly essay (and immediately regret it) about the significance of midnight in so many vernaculars.

I'll throw in two names as possessing some kind of mechanical genius as it pertains to jazz - Lockjaw Davis and Eddie Harris. Counter to general experience, the more I listen to Jaws, the less I can figure out how he played what he played or, occasionally, even what he played. The guy took an instrument that was designed be played one way and figured out a whole other way of playing it. I'm not talking about basic false fingerings or overtones or anything like that, sometimes the guy hits certain notes with a timbre that is not germane to any fingering for that note that I've found or even heard about. A few people, including Johnny Griffin, have talked about how he corked some of his keys closed, which would mean that he essentially created his own fingering system, which...mechanical genius at the very least, and the way he integrated the mechanical changes into his rhythmic and harmonic math...he really did create his own way of playing both instrument and music. Eddie Harris, so much more than just Varitone and other effects, although his official recordings seldom reveal his true depth. Every now and then, though, you get a glimpse of a guy who also created his own musical and sonic universes. There's things on that Tale Of Two Cities (or whatever it's called) Night Music thing where you hear a guy who had a lot bigger mind than general commerce would accommodate. Perhaps c.f. Lewis Porters recent look at Art Tatum for the beginnings of a parallel? Also, musically, his quartal/"intervallic" approach was often displayed on commercial recordings in its most basic form, but there are moments (like "Oleo" from Excursions where it becomes very clear that this guy could run like hell with that language, not just pimp it. He'd play your conventional triadic/diatonic/ harmonies all night long, but when he wanted to leave all that behind...no hesitation, no problem. And as far as "value", these are two guys who had pretty good success in spite of their real genius not because of it. There are more than a few Lockjaw solos that would have gotten him fired off of a lot of gigs if it was somebody else who was making that noise. And people bought Eddie Harris records because of the surface appeal. He knew it, and produced product accordingly. It was later in his career (and/or after his death) that a portrait of the real skills of Eddie Harris even began to be considered.

yeah, that seems kind of harsh, and, maybe, short-sighted. I like the notion of a young team and a young-ish manager banding together with "something to prove". I saw it with Ron Washington & The Rangers, and although they never actually proved "it", they gave some of the most inspiring team play I've ever seen. The hurt of never quite getting there is topped only by the gratitude of seeing that team push until they had nothing left and more or less collapsed from exhaustion (physically, and, probably, mentally. If you're of the school that all that counts is winning it all, hey, go with that then, follow your bliss. But I'm not one of those, never have been. Joe Girardi can come manage our mess anytime. This Hank Bannister guy we got now is kind of lizard-eyed, and I don't know but that he's all hat and no cattle.

In the interest of deepening your collection, you'll want that RCA Newport thing. If I was only able to get one off of that list, that would be it. Jackie's '67 band playing two ballads. The rest of it is good enough, but those two cuts are worthy of further inspection.

I like that second one, of Sonny checking his cell phone.

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What are we saying here, that if you can get this Audiofidelity thing that you'll have everything that is going to be on thise 2 LP release? Or is that not what we are saying? Either way, that Apatow guy strikes again, somehow. Good for him, but something for us non-hipsters, please?

Between him and Little Richard, ongoing excellence of saxophones. RIP. Be a wheel now.

This Bill Bell? http://users.rcn.com/jazzinfo/v05n02Jun95/BillBell.html

Yeah, seriously? I'd prefer a hi-res download to an LP for something like this. Ideally, a CD issue. 4 sides, gotta turn them over and back again, wtf? And/or, just alternate takes, is that all that will be new? I mean, I'd seriously be in for this on a digital release. The original album is my favorite Clark, period. But the vinyl is likely to be pricey, no? Damn hipsters...

It's Jim Owner Alfredson who has that rule, and Jim Moderator Sangrey (me) who will enforce it. However, in the spirit of universal brotherhood and freedom of information, I am locking this thread rather than deleting it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DownBeat#Hall_of_Fame If it makes you feel any better (and it shouldn't), both Glenn Miller and Stan Kenton were voted in before Bird & Duke.

no idea, sorry,

Which one?

Not sure if I understand the question, but since you can post from any page in a thread, you'll be returned to that page. In other words, if you post a comment on the first page of a 15 page thread, you'll back to the first page, the page from which you posted. Or if it's a one page thread, there will be no page number. I think?

Restaurant industry starting to get the message, maybe. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/us/john-besh-steps-down/index.html Other industries to follow? Now if we can get granular past "industry" and look at individual behavior and responsibility for same...