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IMHO too. Pitty Ponder didn't record more in the 60's. He's a monster, on this date - and on the extra Andrew Hill "Grass Roots" prototype date. Yes. Absolutely. Rooster Ties, do you know of any other Ponder dates from that era where he was able to demonstrate that side of his playing? I love hearing the Montgomery things he had happening so well, being put into a the more probing kind of context that those two sessions you mention allowed him to do.

Is there yet sjarrel. I'm sure you are going to love 'That Certain Feeling'. I heard it for the first time this year and it is one of my favourite Hammond sessions "ever". Apart from the great soloing by everyone, the tunes are really something. Patton's melodies have a unique quality I think, and this session has got some of his best. Early AM is a real beauty. So I am sure if you listen to this once or twice you will have them floating around in your head for most of the day, and that can't be a bad thing. And Jimmy Ponder's playing on this is just amazingly good. IMHO

Yes it was tongue in cheek...a bit to far if ya thought I was serious Soulstream. And I've been told more than once in my life that sarcasm is not very smart. Ignorant and disinterested Hammond reviewing pisses me off too though. That's as aggresive as I get.......I'm a social worker.

I think that Sharony Green's book on Grant goes into some detail about Grant's relationship with Leo Gooden. Check it out. There is some great stuff about Grant and the scene there, at the time before Grant headed to New York. Well I think so anyway.

In the beginning there was Jimmy Smith, who begat Larry Young, who helped begat 'fusion', (with some of his 'brothers'). Larry's other 'bruthas' survived by eating the crumbs off of Father Jimmy's table and begat 'nuthin', their music was repetative and harmonically unsophisticated. After the 'fusion' bus left for the other part of town without him, Larry had to return to the table, where he tried out some 'disco'. So it is written.

BIg John Patton seems to be carelessly and ignorantly dismissed in most of the sources that are readily avaliable references, (ie they're on the shelf at Borders). One 'very informed' writer say's everything you need to know about Patton's music can be discerned from the first six minutes of 'Along Came John'. Another writer, is it Richard Cook or Ben Watson, (can't remember offhand, it's in a history of Blue Note book), says that as the music changed in the sixties Patton went right on playing R&B grease regardless. Bullshit!!!! Difference in taste is one thing, but being ignorant of the musics references is another. It seems that to the people that get paid to put together these 'encyclopidias' there is just the standard line that Jimmy Smith was usurped by Larry Young and everything else is peripheral to that.

AH HA it all makes sense now. Remember some of us were not around during the (obviously) glory days of the BNBB!

Just made me think - what would Larry Young have done with "The yodel" - the mind boggles! MG Crikey!!!! What a thought!!! Larry would've been all over it. I wonder if Grant and Larry ever crossed over the set lists that Grant and BIg John played. Like maybe if Grant had a gig on the fly or something.

I'm sure he said "ALL" the Beatles records! I think he may have been having some fun though. Thanks for reminding me to find some Bill Heid recordings....sounds like I'm gonna hear some special stuff. Love his anecdote in the Grant Green book about humbugging Grant to sit in with him and play The Yodel. What a great story!

Here comes Chewy ... lol Randy has starred in 30. Well, Pretty Purdie starred in one... Lialeh MG I remember reading an interview with Pretty Purdie where he say's that HE played drums on all the Beatles albums as well. Did he do the soundtrack as well?

I personally like the Patton JRVG's because I hear more detail in Grant's comping on them and also because they seem to have more BOT-TOM.

FWIW, I think Ponder's playing on the extra "Grass Roots" session, and "That Certain Feeling" (which I only heard for the first time less than a year ago), are tops among my all-time favorite 60's recordings with guitar. Yes!!!! What a shame he didn't get the amount of session time his playing so obviously deserved during these years. I remember reading an older thread that mentioned the missed opportunity of Ponder not recording with Larry Young, and can only reiterate those sentiments. I too only got to hear 'That Certain Feeling' for the first time this year and still can't believe these tunes were written during the session. I think it makes a great companion piece to the extra Grass Roots session as well. Thanks for the thoughts everyone regarding Common Touch. It's going for a song and found where I least expected it. In fact they've got two copies.

thanks for the info Shaft. I have the TOCJ and the Mosaic box version. It's just that I've got all the JRVG Patton's accept that one, and I feel somehow incomplete not having that as well. so your thumbs up for sound is a big plus.

Just seen a copy of this one. I am blown away by Jimmy Ponders playing on 'Grass Roots' and John Patton's 'That Certain Feeling'. Does Jimmy have as much room to move on this one as well. Any thoughts on this session?

Oh Baby!!!!!!! Which one is a better remaster? The Mosaic or the JRVG.

Enjoying this thread. I must admit I got a surprise when I looked at the liner notes on Arthur Blythe's Columbia release Elaborations and found George Butler's name on it. To quote an old and much remembered TV character....'You've made my day...you have Butler'

If you wanna hear old Joe in a playing situation that is 'uncharacteristic', check him burning and poppin in a soul jazz format with Charles Kynard, on a session that I think is added onto Kynards "Soul Brotherhood' cd re-issue. Although it might be "Aphro-Disiac', not sure. Boy Pass could make it real in any situation! And one hell of an obstinate man to boot, apparently.

Yes this is such a great performance. Benson just sounds so involved in the music on this one. Sometimes I feel he is at a bit of a distance from being truly inside the music on some of his other Blue Note appearances. Not on this one though. sounds like he's really gettin down with his buddies here. What a band!

There can't possibly be enough threads lamenting the abandoning of the great Jazzmatazz site. Who cares if they are redundant? Sure beats the incessant threads obsessing over some trivial issue of minor sonic variation on the umpteenth reissue of some old warhorse. Maybe more threads will encourage the revival of Jazzmatazz or the emergence of a quality alternative, it's ansence is a huge loss. Agreed

Was Stanley Turrentine born before 1930?

Sorry guts how could I get 32jazz wrong and say 52. One of my favourite re-issue labels and sorely missed. I always thought the re-issue I have on 32 sounds great too. Just love this session so much I'd definitely buy a different remaster as well if i knew that Five-Four or Savoy had returned to the original source for their issues, rather than, (as I had presumed), just re-issued 32jazz's version.

I've got the 52jazz re-issue of this. Is the Savoy five-four reissue an update in any way, ie different master, more sleeve info etc, (although it doesn't sound like any new info judging by these posts). Should I just get the Savoy for the original cover art? Bearing in mind this is my favourite recording...ever...accept maybe for Let Em Roll.....or Big John's 6cd set of the St. Mathew Passion at Covent Garden, arranged by George Butler!!!!!

Yeh it's pathe marconi...I don't understand these posts at all??? Who's Hans?

Wow Chewy I always thought it was a free ticket to the gig that was about to go down, or something. I missed out on this on Cd. It was one of the first Blue Note LPs I ever bought...a loooong time ago. A French parthe re-issue if I'm not mistaken. Can't wait to revisit this on remastered cd. Cool!!!!!!!!

Just to further echo the thumbs up for these posts DMP. When you have never seen your heroes from this era and you rely on liner notes and books, these recollections mean a LOT