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One of those Amazon sellers - you know, the ones with the lower prices. My set is second-hand.

I just picked up on this collection a few days ago. It's going to be a ball to hear it. 12 CD's! To begin with, I just went for the fantastic 1955 Cafe Bohemia set. I've always loved that session. Eddie Bert and George Barrow are wonderful soloists! And has Mal Waldron ever played better? Next was a revisit to the Massey Hall Concert, partly to compare the original tracks with the versions with Mingus's overdubbed bass lines, which were used for the LP, of course. Great to hear it all again. Dizzy screaming the Carmen lick, Max's inspired cowbell, Bird still playing fantastically, and all the rest. It's going to take a long while to hear all the other music - none of which I have ever heard.

Yes, I will. "Bags' Groove" was supposedly the first tune recorded, and on that, Monk, at Miles's request, does not accompany him. Then, supposedly later, Monk comps behind Miles on "Bemsha Swing", where Miles gets pissed off and plays a Monk lick in a testy manner. I think this strongly suggests that "Bags' Groove" was a later performance.

I remember getting the White Album and sitting through that stupid Revolution 9 thing. Nearly choked laughing at the parody on The Simpsons. The 45 version, which was totally different of course, was what my Mom calls "an awful row".

You guys still look at the BN website??

Great to browse through this thread, though there's too much to look at in one sitting. Re the plastic reed thing, my sax mentor, who was born in 1917, told me that cane reeds were either in short supply, or rationed, during WW II, and that that was why the ersatz reeds were introduced. This may be why Pres used them, though he continued to do so long after WW II. I would hate to use one, that's for sure. I'm hooked on the brown box Ricos - I never liked the supposedly superior "Royal" ones in the silver box. (I met Bud Freeman as a teenager, and was delighted to hear that he used the same as me, Rico V 2s.) A French dude who used to be on the BN board, but disappeared from the world of boards and email a long time ago, sent me some CDrs of some late 30s Basie airshots. As mentioned above, it is great to hear Pres play without the 78 time limitation.

Thanks for all that info, Ed! You are working hard! As "Leo" and "Manifestation" are the same piece (though differently edited), we don't have to pine about a non-overdubbed "Leo" anymore. The discographies need to be updated - I got my info from them. As this is Impulse, it is very unlikely that the session reels still exist. But you never know, Ravi might have them. The version of "Joy" in the 8 CD Impulse box does not have the harp, vibes and bass overdub. It's the plain original sound - though possibly edited. "Peace on Earth", on the "Jupiter Variation" album, does not have overdubbed harp, vibes or bass. Both "Leo" (on the "Infinity" LP) and "Manifestation" (on the "Cosmic Music" LP) are edited a lot, and differently. Full marks for discovering that this is just the one original piece. The "Infinity" version lacks Sanders' piccolo solo (no great loss, hee hee), heard on the "Cosmic Music" version. But the "Infinity" version does have a bass clarinet solo. It's on the opposite channel from Trane's tenor solo, and so maybe Pharoah had a go on it. (It was the horn used by Eric Dolphy, of course.)

That looks more like Beethoven's last movement.

Thanks for posting that! Miles can also be heard (being grumpy!) on the Dec 24, 1954 session with Monk, which was before his throat was damaged. (I guess we will never know exactly what happened at that session. And the given order of the tracks contradicts what happened musically.)

Nice lineup on that LP! I love the marimba. First heard it when Vic Feldman played it in the two "Peter Gunn" albums.

Lol, a classic. Where do they get these zombie-like news females from, by the way? She ain't getting my peanuts, that's for sure. Speaking of airlines and peanuts (boy, what an earth-shattering issue!) I recently went through Customs at Newark, NJ, and the guy asked if I had any food. All I had was a bag of salt penis, sorry, peanuts, and I just hummed the tune, and the guy knew it.

All the best, Mike! Hope you are o.k. Not heard from you in awhile.

The fact that Atlantic studios were involved is probably part of the problem. As Hans said the other day about the Trane Atlantics, they were not sonic marvels in the first place. It's sad, because the Atlantic catalog includes a lot of fantastic albums. (Of course, the sub-standard sound doesn't stop us enjoying the albums.)

Yeah, all the very best, Hans! Sorry it's a bit late. One guy said that his wishes applied to last year's birthday too, so you can apply these to next year's. (This post was processed by the Japanese guy who did the Blue Note Works CDs.)

I've been in some doozies in Jo'burg, South Africa, and Denver, CO. Windshield-shattering stuff. In the Jo'burg one, the top of my car got a lot of small dents.

Awww, that's so nice. The guy looks a lot like the people in coastal Washington State - sorta King County, Pierce County, Kitsap County way.

That Leo is a different one, recorded 2/22/67. It's a duet with Rashied Ali.

Just gave this LP-only album (Impulse AS 9225, released 1972) a spin again, and I thought it would be worth an umpteenth discussion. Track listing A-1: Peace on Earth A-2: Living Space B-1: Joy B-2: Leo Personnel (a little difficult to settle exactly, and there are minor errors in the LP listing) John Coltrane (ts). McCoy Tyner (p), Jimmy Garrison (b), Elvin Jones (d), Alice Coltrane (harp, tamboura), Joan Chapman (tanboura), Oran Coltrane (bells). (Strings, Alice Coltrane, Chapman, Haden and Oran Coltrane only present on the overdub.) van Gelder studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 15, 1965 Living Space John Coltrane (ts), McCoy Tyner (p), Jimmy Garrison (b), Elvin Jones (d), Alice Coltrane (harp, vib). (Strings, Alice Coltrane and Haden only present on the overdub.) Coast Recorders, San Francisco, CA, September 22, 1965 Joy John Coltrane (ts, ss, bcl, bells, perc), Pharoah Sanders (ts, fl, picc, tamb, perc), Alice Coltrane (p, org, vib, tympani), Jimmy Garrison (b), Rashied Ali (d), Ray Appleton (perc). (Strings and Haden only present on the overdub.) Coast Recorders, San Francisco, CA, February 2, 1966 Peace On Earth Leo On all 4 tracks, overdubbed string section consisting of Murray Adler (concertmaster), James Getzoff or Gerald Vinci, Gordon Marron, Michael White (vln), Rollice Dale, Myra Kestenbaum (vla), Jesse Ehrlich, Edgar Lustgarten (cello), Charlie Haden (b). The Village Recorder, Los Angeles, CA, April 16 & 17, 1972. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phew, that's about the best I can do with all the details. Feel free to correct. I think I recall Trane playing the bass clarinet in there - he does on another track from the 2/2/66 session. It might be necessary to omit that instrument here. So, after all that, what's it all like? There has been some dissatisfaction with the overdubbing, naturellement. All but Leo can be obtained without the overdubs. I won't list all the details here, except to say that the non-overdubbed versions of Living Space and Joy are in the Classic Quartet set, and Peace on Earth can be found on the LP "Jupiter Variation" - if you can find a copy. Leo has, to the best of my knowledge, never been issued in its original form. I am not totally decided on whether I prefer the non-overdubbed versions or what is here. (This all reminds me of the Wes Montgomery album "Willow Weep For Me".) I'm glad to have the originals, but the bottom line is "what does this LP sound like?' Well, I think it's a groove. A big wash of sound, with some lovely bass ostinatos. Put it under the heading of a musical experience. Copies of the LP are quite easy to grab from a certain auction website, in case you want to hear this and don't have a copy. I have a feeling that there won't be a CD reissue.

I saw this the other day in Borders - it was about the only thing they had, apart from kiddies' video games, Starbucks coffee and biscottis ( = slivers of dried-up cake at a gouging price). Looked good, but too expensive, so I got it way cheaper through Amazon. Anyways, it has arrived, and a one-hour browse says that it's well worth getting. It has lots of fresh info about Trane, Impulse, Rudy and so on, and great photos - notably of "the day after", with Archie Shepp and Art Davis. At the knock-down price offered by the Amazon associates, it's a steal. Anyone else seen this? For what it's worth, I never bought into the belief that it's Trane's best album. I love the album, but, for me, it's one of many excellent records that he made. If I had to pick a favorite (and that would be very difficult), I'd probably go for either the (first) Village Vanguard album or "Crescent". This is not a new book, but I couldn't find another thread about it on here. Based on this, I have ordered its companion, the "House That Trane Built" book. Does anyone have any comments to make about the "Kind of Blue" volume?

I love being in Dixie, but Arkansas is pushing it a bit too far. I hope they have Waffle House there.

Pie with Papsrus's dog's snout, Moose's cat, shallots, juniper and wild mushrooms. And a nice red.

That's a great idea. Man, I'm really played out on that tune. The ultimate bore is the "United Nation Orchestra" version of it (CD and video). Time to hit the fast-forward button babee. Barry Ulanov (who remembers him?) used to call the obligatory Medley at Ellington concerts "the usual bloody bore", lol.

But it wouldn't have done any harm to let Harry play at the Mingus concert. Anyway, Gerry was great. Miles didn't want his rhythm section to play on the Wes Montgomery live session with Johnny Griffin, but Wynton said something like "Well, in that case, you pay us more than Orrin is going to pay us.".

You could almost say that if RCA don't want their stuff to be stolen, they should keep it in print. Not to be argumentative, but I have all the 1990s RCA Waller sets and they sound great to me. Above all, being a lifelong Waller fan, I'm delighted that his work is available again.

There, there. Take a couple of aspirins and call me Monday.