Guy Berger

I've never seen this recording circulating. The lineup seems impressive on paper but I'm not sure Montgomery could hang in this company...

I recently picked up Yusef Lateef's Eastern Sounds, which is a very nice album but seems to me to fit more into the "superficially exotic-sounding jazz" category than real fusion of jazz with third-world music. I'd also put some of Ellington's stuff in this category. With Coltrane, I'm less sure - there seems to be an effort to engage with the source music. And when you get to something like Shakti - well, these guys aren't faking it. Anyway, I'd be interested in opening up a general discussion of this subject. I'm tired and will post more thoughts tomorrow - my personal feeling is that there's nothing wrong with "superficially exotic sounding" as long as the music itself is good. Authenticity is no guarantee of quality music either. BUT - in general I would prefer some sort of real engagement with the "outside" music.

For what it's worth, I agree with most of the previous reviews - the plot is unremarkable, but not enough to ruin what is truly an amazing visual experience. I still wonder whether a better script and director (Ridley Scott? Peter Jackson?) could have improved it.

Highly recommended, though the recordings are unlikely to be from 1967-68 - my guess based on the material is 1965-66 for the quintet stuff and 1964-65 for the sextet stuff.

We ended up seeing regular 3D which was more than fine.

Hey all - What's better, regular 3D or IMAX 3D? My gf and I are going but I don't know which to pick. Guy

Randy - glad to hear you are recovering. Welcome back.

$3.98 was the norm, IIRC. Maybe $4.98 for stereo. Or maybe at one (earlier) point, a dollar less both ways. I bought my first LP in 1968, and that's what prices were then. How many pints of beer could you buy then for the price of an LP? And how many can you buy now for the price of a (new) CD? MG Ha ha - MG, I bet you got an A+ in economics! Is there any reason why I *shouldn't* pick up the 1957 Lateef box? I picked up the one Savoy 2CD set as well as "Other Sounds", but it seems like picking up any more of the OJCs would be a mistake since the Fresh Sounds box offers a more complete package. Guy

I'd be all over that! I only have the first two and the "Lost Trident" (which indeed is not the great relevation some had hoped it would be). I think there's be one more album to have, but that one only came out in an old stinkin' version, right? (I'm thinking of "Between Nothingness and Eternity") BNAE is an AMAZING album. You have to have it (and I don't say that often here). I think it's head and shoulders above Inner Mounting Flame and Birds Of Fire. It rocks, it thunders. I was at one of those concerts that weekend (including the one that produced "Dream" for the album), and I can attest that's what they sounded like live. They rock! Check out McLaughlin's breaking into "Sunshine of Your Love" during "Dream." I would love to have an expanded version of this album. I think "Lost Trident" is just the studio version of the material that went into BNAE; it was probably nixed because they thought the live versions were superior. Yes, BNAE is much better than Lost Trident. It has just the amount of intensity you'd expect from this edition of the band, though I think the compositions are not as impressive and that some of the boots are superior in that regard. I am not crazy about the 2nd edition with JL Ponty, though Visions of the Emerald Beyond has its moments. Inner Worlds mostly sucked. I always liked this amazon review of BNAE:

For what it's worth, many Japanese cars are made in the US, so if you want to "buy American" you may want to consider those as well.

This is a cop out and nothing more.

Let's keep a sense of proportion here.

Almost all rain here in Charlotte. Guy

I've only heard the unedited version. I like it plenty.

It's a really nice album.

I don't think it's nonsense. You can become a good jazz drummer without a proficient technical understanding of melody and harmony, but that's not true of most other instruments. I think it's interesting that the "drummer composer" only really emerged in the post-bebop era. Edward Vesala also deserves mention here.

The questions are good ones to ask, but I agree that Jackson's conclusions are a reach.

I have nowhere near a complete collection; these are my favorites todate. Far East Suite Ellington Uptown Such Sweet Thunder

Interesting. My memory is rusty but I recall reading Red Garland citing a similar conversation between him and Trane. Would be interested in more discussion. More than anything it gives a sign of Trane's self-critical, introspective nature.

Ron Carter is one of my LEAST favorites.

Gave #1 and #2 their first spin today... very nice. Not sure how I'll feel about it after multiple lessons, but evokes the best I've heard from Oregon.

Some of these have been in print recently, others have not. I do not know which will be available in the US. 2009/10 ECM catalogue John Abercrombie Trio, Speak of the Devil Arild Andersen Quartet, If You Look Far Enough Arild Andersen & Masqualero, Re-Enter Arild Andersen Quartet, Lifelines Paul Bley Quartet, Ballads [1967 recording with Altschul & Peacock] Gary Burton & Steve Swallow, Hotel Hello Gary Burton Quartet, The New Quartet Jack DeJohnette's Special Edition, Album Album Jack DeJohnette's Special Edition, Inflation Blues Egberto Gismonti, Solo Mick Goodrick Quartet, In Pas(s)ing Dave Holland Quintet, Seeds of Time Dave Holland Quartet, Conference of the Birds Stephen Micus, Darkness and Light Paul Motian Trio, It Should've Happened a Long Time Ago Old and New Dreams, self-titled Old and New Dreams, Playing Julian Priester Ensemble, Love Love Terje Rypdal and the Chasers, Blue Terje Rypdal Quartet, Waves Louis Sclavis Quintet, Rouge John Surman, Upon Reflection Ralph Towner & John Abercrombie, Five Years Later Ralph Towner, Solo Concert Ralph Towner with Glen Moore [and the rest of Oregon], Trios/Solos Mal Waldron, Free at Last Eberhard Weber, The Colours of Chloe Kenny Wheeler Quintet, The Widow in the Window Box Sets: Arild Andersen 3 CD - includes Clouds in My Head, Shimri, Green Shading into Blue Chick Corea 3 CD solo piano - includes Piano Improvisations vols. 1 & 2, Children's Songs Jan Garbarek 3 CD - includes Sart, Witchi Tai To, Dansere Terje Rypdal 4 CD - includes Whenever I Seem to Be Far Away, Odyssey, After the Rain Eberhard Weber, 3 CD - includes Yellow Fields, Silent Feet, Little Movements

Some of these have been in print recently, others have not. I do not know which will be available in the US. 2009/10 ECM catalogue John Abercrombie Trio, Speak of the Devil Arild Andersen Quartet, If You Look Far Enough Arild Andersen & Masqualero, Re-Enter Arild Andersen Quartet, Lifelines Paul Bley Quartet, Ballads [1967 recording with Altschul & Peacock] Gary Burton & Steve Swallow, Hotel Hello Gary Burton Quartet, The New Quartet Jack DeJohnette's Special Edition, Album Album Jack DeJohnette's Special Edition, Inflation Blues Egberto Gismonti, Solo Mick Goodrick Quartet, In Pas(s)ing Dave Holland Quintet, Seeds of Time Dave Holland Quartet, Conference of the Birds Stephen Micus, Darkness and Light Paul Motian Trio, It Should've Happened a Long Time Ago Old and New Dreams, self-titled Old and New Dreams, Playing Julian Priester Ensemble, Love Love Terje Rypdal and the Chasers, Blue Terje Rypdal Quartet, Waves Louis Sclavis Quintet, Rouge John Surman, Upon Reflection Ralph Towner & John Abercrombie, Five Years Later Ralph Towner, Solo Concert Ralph Towner with Glen Moore [and the rest of Oregon], Trios/Solos Mal Waldron, Free at Last Eberhard Weber, The Colours of Chloe Kenny Wheeler Quintet, The Widow in the Window Box Sets: Arild Andersen 3 CD - includes Clouds in My Head, Shimri, Green Shading into Blue Chick Corea 3 CD solo piano - includes Piano Improvisations vols. 1 & 2, Children's Songs Jan Garbarek 3 CD - includes Sart, Witchi Tai To, Dansere Terje Rypdal 4 CD - includes Whenever I Seem to Be Far Away, Odyssey, After the Rain Eberhard Weber, 3 CD - includes Yellow Fields, Silent Feet, Little Movements