Big Beat Steve

Up - after bit has been sold.

This is what i would do if I had to.

You all are giving me the creeps. CDs are dwindling in value here too - yes, but seeing what my son (19) still manages to get when he thins out his Heavy Metal CD collection leaves me with hopes. In fact he said he has sound files of those CDs that matter to him and has decided to keep only those CDs that are either unavailable online or by obscure bands, so for him it is vinyl and online but much, much less CDs from now on (signs of the times?). So niche musics that have a focused subculture still do sell as CDs, even secondhand as it seems. I wonder in what way things are that different with jazz CDs? As for books, ho hum .... Tomorrow I will be setting up a stall at a local book fleamarket (including not just books but any printed matter in fact, and now expressly including records too, BTW, so my crate of duplicate jazz vinyl goes there too). So I hope you ALL are at least partially wrong. I have had a stall there for about half of the the past 18 years, noticed brisk business during the first few years until things slowed down (when of course my first-time-ever-to fleamarket antique books and magazines had gone) and then paused for a few years, and in recent years have attended again and found business across the field to be relatively good again. A lot of books will go at "impulse buy" clearout prices (trying to make space before I donate to "bring and take away" book exchanges again) but I still feel that there is a market either for truly antique books on specialized subjects of historical or "collectible" (focused hobby) interest. As Rooster said, encyclopedias and "general purpose" books are dead (I cannot bring myself to dump the 1965 Encyclopedia Britannica I inherited a long time ago nor the 20-volume German encyclopedia of 1935 we dug out when my father in law moved to a senior citizens home last fall). And you cannot shift a book of 1920 or 1930 dealing with the history of your country or with "notable works of art" or other generalist "cultured citizens" topics but you CAN INDEED get money for a book of 1920 or 1930 about the then state of the art of architecture or antique automotive books or even antique cookbooks, for example! So keep your fingers crossed for me, pleeze!

Isn't the entire discussion about that "comeback" (if any) about sales of TANGIBLE, PHYSICAL music media? Isn't this where comparisons are to be made? Aren't downloads, streaming etc. a separate playing field altogether?

See, there's a like mind. You were attracted to 60s rock in the 80s and I was attracted to 50s and some early 60s rock (and 30s/40s country; blues and R&B from that period being filed under jazz for the purposes of this forum) in the 70s.

"MOST" - yes. I don't participate in this subforum much but there ARE others than the "mosts". I guess I am one. However, MY non-jazz listening (like my jazz listening incidentally) in most cases is definitely NOT related to my age either but rather to the styles of music I prefer, and these originally were recorded in the 1945-60 (or 65) period, and at 59 I certainly am not THAT old myself ... In fact except for a scant few exceptions I have never ever been moved by the "contemporary" rock music I was exposed to in the 70s. No regrets, regardless of whatever those who inevitabley will blurt out about "missed out" or whatever ... It just didn't do much for me (isolated exceptions - from all decades since - tending to confirm the rule) Actually rock from that period (50s plus a few years before and after) has always had its niche through the decades following the r'n'r era and there IS a subculture ("rockabilly" in the wider sense, though I have a hunch average US listeners not truly immersed in that subculture will interpet this not exactly the same way that "Yurpeens" will ) that does build on these styles and to this day adds new touches, variations and evolutions WITHIN the genre. There will inevitably be "prog" listeners out there to whom this is "old hat" or "rehashing" or whatever but who cares? It just is a matter of personal preferences. (And if you listen close enough, overall there is not more rehashing than in many other pop or rock fads that have come and gone since the 60s and up to now - didn't "Brit Pop" lean rather heavily on the sound patterns of certain species of late 60s pop, for example?). I wonder how many there are out there among the forumists who in their rock and pop listening have NOT been attracted from Day One by the current rock/pop of their formative youth years but by music from other periods which they have embraced with much more interest and pleasure than what was just "current" (regardless of whether it was chart fare or niche-y underground stuff)?

For a time, before he moved to another "Ha-": Hannover (Germany) - where he lived for a long time up to his death.

I'd venture a guess that over here the share of classical LPs was quite higher than that in the early days of LPs.

IIRC most Japanese CDs have always had very short shelf (availability) lives so what's the deal overall? Just some more CDs going OOP too fast - yes, annonying. But not a new phenomenon in the COLLECTING market.

You mean those who did emigrate ("go expat") and returned home later on? Red Mitchell (one who hasn't been named among the expats yet either, BTW). Bobby Burgess Rolf Ericson Inez Cavanaugh

Re- my earlier post, i was just referring to what the thread starter explicitly said ...

Many have been named but are all these AMERICANS who decided to live in EUROPE (as asked in the opening thread)? Sir Charles Thompson?? ... Some more who who DID move to Europe: Bobby Burgess Rhoda Scott Nancy Holloway (OK, she's on the fringe of jazz, but still ...) And here's one who went BOTH ways: Rolf Ericson

I had first heard of her when I got myself a copy of the "Gal With a Horn" album a good 15 years ago in my quest to get the entire MODE LP series complete (minus 1 or 2 MOR-ish vocals album that I skipped). DB gave it 3 stars at the time but for all her talent on trumpet that would enable her "to hold her own" in many settings found her voice had "considerable intonation difficulties". It wasn't until several years later that I became aware of her later documentary acitivites when I bought the Central Avenue Sounds book. RIP

A superb period piece. BTW, weren't there TWO "Zildjian" companies? No, not Sabian - long before that. I somehow remember ads to this effect in jazz magazines from the 50s.

Tumblr! Oath! Illegible and inaccessible from Europe (or elsewhere?) unless you consent to cookies, log in with an "account" (what account?). And all this with the clear intention to spam the reader with (clearly unwanted) ads and "personalized" popups'n stuff, including from "partners " (what partners?). Neither useful nor customer-friendly.

Assuming that the buyer of your house won't want to just tear it down and build something new on that site and regardless of what blueprint you want to frame as a keepsake, I guess that the buyers will be very keen to get all the construction paperwork, blueprints, etc. for that house. This will no doubt come in handy whenever they have refurbishing work done on it. So maybe get them a duplicate of what you want to keep (unless what you are keeping are duplicates anyway). I know I am glad I still have most of that for my own house (which my father - an architect too - designed and built in 1957). It came in handy to be able to give the contractors some plans for preparation when I had extensive work (including updated insulation) done on the roof several years ago.

Like you found out online ... Which shop did you visit? A smallish semi-basement shop in a row of older brownstones or one with a fairly large glass-pane front where the entrance was a few stairs up? He moved to the latter one in the late 90s. We may have bumped into each other unknowingly in either of the two. I left a lot of money there ... Vinyl West closed down at the later location described above in 2003 or so. Tom briefly reopened a smaller shop around the corner 1-2 years later but this was gone again before I had a chance of going there. He then concentrated on online sales (including eBay) and mail order and later moved on to Spain after some non-business related matters made him pull up stakes here, it seems. Your VfB avatar has always had me thinking you had some connections there but during which period exactly did you live over here?

Actually this one was made by an acquaintance of my office colleague (she was given a couple because she had donated a handful of unwanted LPs as "raw material" ). So it's a strictly homemade affair. But the principle must be known. The girl in Vienna who makes the handbags as shown in the other photograph also has a few bowls in this style among her range of products.

Handcrafted in Vienna, BTW.

You don't have a local music club that uses LPs for its wll decoration and accepts donations of raw material? Or how about this? (along the lines of the Italian "fazzoletti" glassware) Or this (for your better half)?

As I am not into classical music I have not had a close look at what I saw in the bins at clearout sales. At the clearout days we have here at regular intervals at a local used record store all the records (thousands each time) are totally unsorted but I routinely browse through the 10" records first whenever I see any in a bin (they usually end up in stacks among the 12"). I do remember distinctly that while browsing I regularly saw Eastern European pressings there (Czech und Hungarian, i.e. Supraphon and Hungaroton, in many cases), hoping it was an occasional "Eurojazz" find. But alas no, it turned out to be "another" classical music 10-incher in 99% of the cases. However, I realize that there may be differences in "desirability" even among these, and as for what EXACTLY was in there - search me ... All I remember was that some of those classical or light classical music 10-inchers (not just Eastern European ones) had rather nice period cover artwork. But I won't get carried away that far (covers by Jim Flora would be an exception but so far I have never seen any by him there).

Yes, they put more artwork and marketing effort into classical music records over there in Czechoslovakia (jazz records often had generic covers before things changed later in the 60s). Yet these classical music records often are almost a dime a dozen here when you find them in clearout bins. Whereas ... the one below in NM condition was a scoop at the equivalent of $1 (though quite some time ago). Eurojazz auction buyers from outside Europe (over in Asia, in particular) have been know to bid crrrraaaazy prices on such items.

Yes, Hep is always worth checking out. And "at the time" (for those not dead set on CD) the one below ("featuring seventeen clasic Gil Evans arrangements") used to be a go-to item: https://www.discogs.com/Claude-Thornhill-Tapestries/release/11401907 Just to show what tracks you'd want to go after if you are in it for Gil Evans only and want them all in one place.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that you will be able to strike a deal with Chuck. Any collector who backs up his interests (music/listening interest here) with the documents and reference works on the same subject matter will gain a lot in knowledge, insight and enjoyment. And I'd venture a guess in today's world where everything (including knowledge and documents of times past) is digitized it is a good thing there still are some private "archivists" out there who keep the real thing. Though I understand the space problems ... In fact, as a private collector-turned-archivist you sometimes and unknowingly even surpass what you think pros in the field ought to have accumulated themselves. About 7 years ago I jumped at the occasion of buying from an online antique book trader what was described as a full run of METRONOME from mid-1952 to mid-1960 and came from the archives of the former editor-in-chief of the German JAZZ PODIUM magazine. Only ... upon receipt it turned out to be two bound volumes of scattered issues that this journalist had accumulated - about 45 copies in all, which of course is a long way from a "full run" (and an odd base for binding the copies) and made this a very expensive deal. (The seller made good - to a point - in giving me additonal items from that collection free of charge, though). Still an interesting purchase, considering the silly prices that sellers ask on eBay, but amazing to see that even long-standing pros should be content with individual issues - no doubt this person would not have had any trouble in obtaining a subscription or even courtesy copies, even at that time. Anyway ... I'll hope someone else takes the remaining issues too. It would be a shame to throw them away.

Sadly, that photograph is so tiniest of tiny (at least the way it displays here) that that lady could be just anybody ...