clifford_thornton

I like the Cecil/Maneri duo, too. Funny enough I can't seem to locate my copy of it. When I reviewed the disc for AAJ, it took approximately two days for comments to be posted about how Cecil's work wasn't "jazz" or even "music." Clearly, that line of thinking still rages on, even though it's not given much space in print these days. There are numerous repostings from the NYT here by posters other than 7/4. I believe that in this case, it was chosen to emphasize the section on Cecil, which in the article as a whole was rather small. The 'net sure does make those "fair use" argument kinda slinky, don't it?

Gunter Hampel - The 8th of July 1969 - (Birth orig, thin paper "cover") w/ Braxton, McCall, Breuker, Gorter and Lee.

Yeah, not coincidentally a lot of these no wave recs were issued on 7" or 12" EP.

Leo Cuypers - In Amsterdam - (BVHaast)

Well, no need to have that particular comp when you can buy anthologies of all of those bands' work, including much rare/previously unissued stuff. Still, that scene produced some music the likes of which the world hasn't seen since.

I didn't buy the tribute album, but have the Folkways anthologies. Fine for me. The one time I saw Nick Cave live it was really quite great. His records don't get nearly as much mileage as his stage presence. Still... one of those few people whose early and recent work is equally interesting. Edit: In response to an Alexander post. Edit 2: I am hit-or-miss with Lennon and am not that interested in the Beatles' trajectory. Nevertheless, I won't argue with anyone's opinion on him/them here.

Larry Young - Mother Ship - (BN rainbow orig)

Joe Harriott - Free Form - (Jazzland, black DG)

Chill, dude.

I'd fit them in along with recent Nick Cave, Dirty Three et al. I remember my ears being perked upon hearing one of their records about a decade ago.

I just got a sealed ICP record that was unplayable it was so warped. Oddly, you couldn't tell from looking at the jacket.

Rock Reviews by me Still a little something out there, but again you gotta dig. Dig?

Yeah, I'm steering away from industry/anti-industry arguments; they are often moot. Good and even great work will get done in spite of the music industry's efforts to quell anything other than that which operates at the lowest common denominator (bottom line). I don't dig on Radiohead, but you could do a hell of a lot worse... In terms of pop/rock, one need only look to bands like The New Pornographers, Broken Social Scene, Fiery Furnaces et al to see there's still something "there." Will Oldham, Cat Power, Smog are still kicking a couple around. Nobody here has probably heard of Sunset, but he/it are really onto something special in terms of long-form, progressive pop suites.

I liked Nirvana well enough in about 1990-1992 but they don't hold up too well. Get me some John Doe.

I mean, YMMV and it always will. How does one define "greatness" in music? Again, YMMV. Syd Barrett Roky Erickson Captain Beefheart The Grateful Dead Jack Bruce Sonic Youth Velvets Roxy Music (Eno & Ferry) Mudhoney/Green River Come Bitch Magnet Lungfish Talking Heads Nikki Sudden/Swell Maps Can The Clean The Vaselines Eric Gaffney Rhys Chatham Theoretical Girls (early) Kraftwerk Neu! (the first record) The Band Byrds Kevin Ayers Groundhogs (at least the first couple of recs) ...are all better than good to me...

And, finally, John Lennon isn't all that history has made him out to be.

I'll add that, though their career is almost 30 years on and their newer albums aren't to my tastes, Sonic Youth are a no-brainer, one of the greatest rock bands of our time.

How many of the posters here, in this very thread, dig deep into current rock music, especially that released by independent labels in either the US or Europe? There is a fair amount of great shit out there. I suspect y'all weren't digging much deeper than Cream (great as they were) in 1969 either.

OG issue?

Um, this is the music industry. Who gets paid for anything? (not saying I agree with that, but I think it is a valid point to make)

Ahh, thanks for the Murray reminder. Those are good records.

That's just a bit too pithy for me. Do you mean Joseph Jarman or Joseph Bowie, and if so, which albums? In response to The Flam - it's Joseph Bowie on trombone, not Lester Bowie on trumpet. The trumpet is Leo Smith.

Hans Dulfer - El Saxofon - (Catfish)

A friend of mine emailed me this curious question: So any ideas on how to help her out?