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The Valdo kicks ass... I wouldn't say there's any amateurishness to the Moffett record - I think it's actually pretty deep, though there are moments of "letting up." The whole thing is absolutely beautiful, I'd say. Paul Jeffrey also has a Savoy record, apparently somewhat greasy, that came out at the same time. That and the Doug Carn Trio are both scarce ones that I stupidly passed up for $30 apiece about 7 years ago and haven't seen since. I mean, I didn't care about Doug Carn (and still don't) but it was a dumb move to leave 'em! Anyhoo...

Grove (not always the best source, I know) did state they were siblings. I guess this could be untrue or misleading, but I would hope they would at LEAST be right about that!

I know what you mean. That attitude is RE-TAR-DED. Like if they don't know of it, it must not exist. Anyway, I am sort of surprised Emanem is reissuing it (and sorta not), also never heard positive things about the record which kept me from being a nerd and buying the LP in the first place. It's since become somewhat expensive. What's most attractive to me is this: ROSWELL RUDD piano ROBIN KENYATTA alto saxophone KARL BERGER vibraphone LEWIS WORRELL double bass RICHARD YOUNGSTEIN double bass HORACE ARNOLD drum set 4 - LONG HOPE - 4:27 Analogue studio recording made in New York City - 1967 September But I wish there was an extra ten minutes of a track like that to get excited about. The band is majorly hip! Youngstein was/is(?) a fine player, if not quite the poet that Worrell is.

I agree completely. The Hill/Davis/Chambers trio was every bit as unpredictable/stimulating as the more "recognized" Byard/Davis/Dawson trio. And that's why I like ANDREW!!! so much - Gilmore gets right in there with them and mixes it up so nicely. You have more respect for the Byard/Davis/Dawson trio than I do. No "dis" to them, just think the Hill/Davis/Chambers combo was on another level. I'm gonna have to think about this one. In Euro-Jazz terms, it would be like comparing Schlippenbach/Neibergall/Liebezeit and Mengelberg/Altena/Bennink, so they're not all that comparable... That's a surface comparison, but it works from this end! I'm not a huge fan of Andrew!!!, probably for reasons similar to Clem, but I should pull it out again. My LP is actually mildly ratty-sounding, which could have an effect on my fondness for what's WITHIN the grooves. Haven't listened to the "Pax" session (I have it on the Hill 2fer LP) in a number of years, and wasn't fazed much by it back then either.

Yeah, he's great on those Elvin Atlantics, and the Shepps are fun! "Sonny's Back" has been a consistent spin over the years, from the Actuel catalog at least...

I thought it was "paired" with something but am too lazy to look up exactly what. I really don't "get" that record, but so be it...

Damn. RIP to a fine, fine player.

Maybe it was your copy I found at Laurie's bookstore on 9th and Nicollet Mall. I wonder what Jim was charging on it? He was way overpriced on a lot of things...

Moffett is a very good vibraharp player, in my opinion. He played it with Prince Lasha also. I'm not sure that the Moffett Family is a direct outgrowth of Ornette and Denardo; Moffett was a music educator in the schools and directed student jazz bands that were probably as great as his family group. Those kids could PLAY.

I love the Savoy - one of my favorite records - but the Moffett Family LP on Charles Moffett Records ('71 iirc) is also superb. It's got a healthy dose of modal funk, and includes Pat McCarthy as second bassist after Charnett. The opener is a mo'fo' of a heavy tune...

If I don't catch cold, I'll be doing a spirited homage to Coltrane on the radio tomorrow night.

Yeah, it is great. I had a dub of the dub(!) but am glad to have a nice CD copy of it. Strange, strange record and Monnette Sudler is particularly hip.

Damn... but I can sort of see it, too.

Yeah, that's really great. Thanks.

Marion Brown - "Capricorn Moon" from the Marion Brown Quartet on ESP. Sort of a "Comin' Home Baby" vibe with the two basses starting things off, and they hold the Latin-y rhythm even as they (and Brown, Al Shorter and Rashied Ali) fracture it completely. It's a classic. Ornette's Atlantics have some strong Latin-y moments as well as blues, "Una Muy Bonita" being the obvious choice but really it's all falling just to the left or right (or up or down) of a Latin/blues bag.

Lungfish - Indivisible - (Dischord)

That Colbert is fucking funny! Thanks for posting it... and hey, Colbert and Kareem didn't sound half bad!

Got it and will listen to it this weekend. It looks like it's got potential for some of that old country-blues swinging stuff, which I like!

Now, if somebody would just reissue the Cairo Free Jazz Ensemble - Heliopolis (Goethe Institut Cairo) I'd be a happy camper!

This is probably for another thread entirely, but not being a complete Vandermark apologist and reiterating the fact that Spaceways is weak but the cat CAN blow (and Peter is no-how underdocumented), the fact that Vandermark has helped to form a bridge between young indie kids and improvised music, and with a clearer sense of the music's history than, imo, Shipp/Thirsty Ear/whatnot, deserves mention. I think that this alone is worth a lot of MacArthur bread. And to answer the quip that's a comin', it did seem to spread south to the Velvet Lounge. During my time in Chicago, I saw a lot of young kids from the rock community heading over to see Fred blow. Now, that said, I think that Fred deserves a MacArthur just as much as flattop, for obvious reasons. Keeping the old Velvet open would have been a great use of the $$. (though zoning politics are pretty much outside the realm..)

Fucking promoters. In this instance, I would say those promoters are definitely in the wrong.

Yep (along with the Mike Osborne 'Outback') Got that one. It wasn't as earth-shaking as I thought it would be, and I still think his best work is on the Ric Colbeck LP.

I don't have the Taylor (wasn't that on a Turtle LP?) but the Oxley is great, if a bit obvious in the well it draws from. Baby steps... TCB was reissued in a Japanese paper-sleeve format a few years ago. That's what I have - Lord knows I've never seen a clean LP for much under $250.

I've wondered that too - they were (and probably still are) based in BEVERLY HILLS of all places. He's really done some outstanding music, private genius grant or no...