Guest ariceffron Posted August 29, 2004 Report Posted August 29, 2004 have u ever heard that. someone was telling me that.--- that in the '70s- gilmore and jordan wanted to make a followup to blowin in from chicago but sun ra wouldnt let gilmore do it. Quote
ghost of miles Posted August 30, 2004 Report Posted August 30, 2004 Interesting story, Aric. I know that the Arkestra was a "family," etc., but didn't realize that Sun Ra exerted control over the recording activities of its members to that extent (if the story's true). Quote
JSngry Posted August 30, 2004 Report Posted August 30, 2004 Haven't heard that specific story, but have heard similar tales. Ra ran a tight ship, I'm told, some might call it a "cult" of sorts, and if you did anything he didn't approve of, you did it on the sly. Had a friend who got high on a break w/Marshall Allen once, and Marshall was totally paranoind about "Sunny" finding out. A high profile recording like a Gilmore/Jordan reunion would be kind hard to hide. When Gilmore had that brief spurt of "outside" activity (when was it, '65?) it was because he had left the Ra fold completely. And when he came back, he didn't leave. Quote
Guest ariceffron Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 i think it was in the liners for the new RVG Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 31, 2004 Report Posted August 31, 2004 Yup, the notes say Ra nixed a Muse session. Quote
ghost of miles Posted July 23, 2006 Report Posted July 23, 2006 Haven't heard that specific story, but have heard similar tales. Ra ran a tight ship, I'm told, some might call it a "cult" of sorts, and if you did anything he didn't approve of, you did it on the sly. Had a friend who got high on a break w/Marshall Allen once, and Marshall was totally paranoind about "Sunny" finding out. A high profile recording like a Gilmore/Jordan reunion would be kind hard to hide. When Gilmore had that brief spurt of "outside" activity (when was it, '65?) it was because he had left the Ra fold completely. And when he came back, he didn't leave. Didn't he do one more "away" date--that 1970 album with Dizzy Reece? Quote
sheldonm Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 Haven't heard that specific story, but have heard similar tales. Ra ran a tight ship, I'm told, some might call it a "cult" of sorts, and if you did anything he didn't approve of, you did it on the sly. Had a friend who got high on a break w/Marshall Allen once, and Marshall was totally paranoind about "Sunny" finding out. A high profile recording like a Gilmore/Jordan reunion would be kind hard to hide. When Gilmore had that brief spurt of "outside" activity (when was it, '65?) it was because he had left the Ra fold completely. And when he came back, he didn't leave. Marshall got high???? Here's a photo I made of him playing with Henry Grimes. m~ Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 Haven't heard that specific story, but have heard similar tales. Ra ran a tight ship, I'm told, some might call it a "cult" of sorts, and if you did anything he didn't approve of, you did it on the sly. Had a friend who got high on a break w/Marshall Allen once, and Marshall was totally paranoind about "Sunny" finding out. A high profile recording like a Gilmore/Jordan reunion would be kind hard to hide. When Gilmore had that brief spurt of "outside" activity (when was it, '65?) it was because he had left the Ra fold completely. And when he came back, he didn't leave. Didn't he do one more "away" date--that 1970 album with Dizzy Reece? Yes. And iirc, there's a C. Jordan for muse with Pat Patrick on it, no? Quote
Guest akanalog Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 cliffe, i have that cliff jordan date. yeah pat patrick. he was on a few things though-off the top of my head i think he was also on a frank strozier album and maybe even some mongo santamaria albums i haven't heard. i don't think patrick was a mainstay for too long with sun ra (in relation to gilmore and allen, i mean) hmmm-you didn't really see ronnie boykins name until post-sun ra i guess. Quote
JSngry Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 Marshall got high???? Just a little herb on a break. Nothing scandalous. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 i don't think patrick was a mainstay for too long with sun ra (in relation to gilmore and allen, i mean) hmmm-you didn't really see ronnie boykins name until post-sun ra i guess. I dunno, Patrick seems like a mainstay to me... Boykins definitely did leave, though, and he was on a number of fine post-Ra LPs. He also wrote a great tune that's on Horace Parlan's Happy Frame of Mind, "Home is Africa." Quote
Michael Weiss Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 (edited) When I played the Chicago Jazz Festival with Johnny Griffin in 1988 (?), we finished our set with a Chicago all-star tenor blowout with Eddie Harris, Von Freeman, Clifford Jordan and E. Parker McDougal. Gilmore was supposed to join us but Sun Ra put the nix on it. Gilmore seemed a little bugged but he wasn't going to challenge it. Missed an opportunity to play with one of my all-time favorite tenor players. At least we played a game of chess - he kicked my ass in just a few minutes. I performed "Saturn," "Images," and "Horizon" at Gilmore's memorial service with a quartet. Edited September 5, 2006 by Michael Weiss Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 hey everyone chewy-chew-chew here: I usually not one to critizitize suns teachings in any way shape or form but i am pissed at sun for all this gilmoure stuff. sun treated gilmore like roger treated gilmour. if that makes sense. DID SUN THINK IT WOULD NEGATIETIVLY AFFECT THE BALENCE OF SPACE 2 ALLOW JOHN GILMORE 2 PLAY IN A CONTEXT OUTSIDE THE ARKESTRA. it must of been something like that.... Quote
Guest youmustbe Posted July 26, 2006 Report Posted July 26, 2006 There was more to it than that! You would all be pissed at me if I told you. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted July 26, 2006 Report Posted July 26, 2006 There was more to it than that! You would all be pissed at me if I told you. I wouldn't! MG Quote
7/4 Posted July 26, 2006 Report Posted July 26, 2006 There was more to it than that! You would all be pissed at me if I told you. a cult? who woulda thought.... Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted July 26, 2006 Report Posted July 26, 2006 There was more to it than that! You would all be pissed at me if I told you. a cult? who woulda thought.... Mithras, no doubt. MG Quote
Guest youmustbe Posted July 27, 2006 Report Posted July 27, 2006 To paraphrase Jack Nicholson, 'You wouldn't be able to handle the truth!' Quote
David Ayers Posted July 27, 2006 Report Posted July 27, 2006 To paraphrase Jack Nicholson, 'You wouldn't be able to handle the truth!' Perhaps not - but I am willing to act as a human guinea pig for this forbidden experiment. The doctors and scientists are standing around me with sensitive registering equipment and emergency resuscitation gear. I am ready! Send me the PM! Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted July 27, 2006 Report Posted July 27, 2006 chewy-chew-chew is here to say:L i want 2 hear that story in a serious way. do tell! i promoise i wont get mad Quote
Alexander Hawkins Posted July 27, 2006 Report Posted July 27, 2006 Well, I think it's either vanity/posturing from youmustbe () or a good story, so either way, let's have it Quote
sidewinder Posted July 27, 2006 Report Posted July 27, 2006 Well, I think it's either vanity/posturing from youmustbe () or a good story, so either way, let's have it The World hangs on tenterhooks.. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted July 28, 2006 Report Posted July 28, 2006 up.................we all need the story! Quote
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