Larry Kart Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Agree with Allen about David Murray, with Clem about Frisell in his cinematic country bag (though I have to respect Frisell's work on Zorn's two "News for Lulu" albums), have never heard Nels Cline, and usually don't like it when people yell at each other here, unless one of them is a flaming jerk/nitwit or the yelling is also funny. Allen I know as a man, author, and musician, and while he can be edgy, he certainly is no jerk/nitwit and really knows a lot about a lot of stuff. Clem I know only from his posts. He knows, and/or professes to know, a lot about a lot of stuff, and often I think he does or might ... and sometimes it's just interesting to hear from his corner, in part because I'm left to guess about exactly where that corner might be located. (By contrast, I almost always know exactly where Allen is coming from.) But Clem also seems to be so involved in the art of territorial spraying that at times I wonder whether he's really that ticked off or just likes to play that role on TV. Where does that leave me? Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 (edited) Larry, are you saying I'm predictable? Well, my wife feels the same way... Paul, please don't act so superior, if I told you you were a douche and a phony and associated with people who only associated with you for the money, attacked you professionally as well, etc etc, well, than, I think you might respond, unless you were completely comatose or catatonic. It's natural, there's nothing wrong with it, and it's appropriate. Edited November 21, 2005 by AllenLowe Quote
Christiern Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Where does that leave me? In Chicago, seeing things more clearly than most here. Quote
Nate Dorward Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Allen--wow, you liked the Frisell/Holland/Jones album? I heard a few tracks off that one ("Moon River" & an original) & hated them so much I've avoided it ever since. It struck me as about as irksome a mismatch as the duo album with Fred Hersch, another one I didn't get at all. Frisell I run hot & cold on, but he was doing pretty interesting stuff up to about the mid-1990s when things went wrong circa Nashville. I liked East/West, mostly (the last few tracks on the Vanguard session are disappointing--Frisell's probably got a great "Crazy" in him but not this time). Virtually everything he did with Zorn is worth checking out, & with Paul Motian. I like "After the Requiem" with Gavin Bryars, too, though it's not jazz. Of the albums of his I've heard, Have a Little Faith & This Land have been the best, though I haven't heard the ECMs. Live with the trio is musically excellent, though the sound is poor (but the version of "Strange Meeting", an original from his Power Tools days, is one of the most moving things I've heard him do). -- He's always worth seeing live. Re: Nels Cline, I don't know his work enough to wade into this particular spat--I saw him once with the Red Headed Stranger group & with the Singers, it was OK, but I actually enjoyed Carla B's rundown of a tune of her own far more than the Willie Nelson covers--but will just say that the Clineophiles will probably enjoy his work on ROVA's Electric Ascension, their recent update of the Coltrane classic. It's a tremendous record. Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 hey Nate, don't be so surprised - yeah, I do like that CD, I think it's easy to mistake Frisell's great musical patience and almost slow-motion Americana for dullness - he does walk that line sometimes, but I find it works for me, though I do agree with you about the earlier stuff and wonder if they were trying to push him a little bit into the middle-of-the-road for a time. His approach is much different than mine; I tend to like my guitarists (and my own guitar) to sound less digital, more connected to strings and tubes, but he is one of the few that I like who have managed to digitize the guitar's sound and touch. Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 and by the way - and here it is just possible that I agree with Clem - Ribot is probably my favorite contemporary guitarist. Saw him solo about 2 years ago and it was brilliant- Quote
neveronfriday Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Fun thread. Thanks for bringing some life to the party again. Quote
Guy Berger Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Where does that leave me? In Chicago, seeing things more clearly than most here. ← I'm digging the EYE, Chris. Guy Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Clem, I would respond but I've been instructed by everyone here to use my ignore function - I've got it set so it filters out every other word in your posts - funny thing is, you make more sense that way - Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 (edited) just re-did the ignore - here's how Clem's post reads to me now: "jesus... Lowe's untypically asinine post from this ex-musician; (I'm a) half student of character & rhetoric, I really have no clear ideas I (need) therapy, however-- got SERIOUS issues & a bitter streak T-H-I-S wide. i've said dopey stuff in life like "douche" (I can't) write or read yes, i fake it all. i'm a fuck Lowe's career as musician & writer, rises on its own accord. it's amazing (and) real" you guys were right - I feel MUCH better - Edited November 21, 2005 by AllenLowe Quote
AllenLowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 "welcome to the party, bro'-- pls share with us your considered opinion more often. i (have) cooties you (are) actually great repeatedly, explain to us oh great musician, all yr musical arguments (your organ is) illustrious & quite long, MUSICAL genius" Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Look, if this is going to turn into some little bitchfest between you two, I'm going to close this thread. Or better yet, just erase both your posts from this thread and ban you both to the thread on Supertramp. Quote
Aggie87 Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Sooooooo.... Has anybody else picked up "Richter 858" yet? For those who didn't care for Frisell's Americana turn, this is quite different. I don't think there's been anything else quite like it in his catalog, either. Originally a limited (and expensive - $250) edition only available with a book of Gerhard Richter's paintings, it is now available as a normal standalone disc. ...and I need to check out that Power Tools thing. Sounds interesting! Quote
7/4 Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 Sooooooo.... Has anybody else picked up "Richter 858" yet? For those who didn't care for Frisell's Americana turn, this is quite different. I don't think there's been anything else quite like it in his catalog, either. Originally a limited (and expensive - $250) edition only available with a book of Gerhard Richter's paintings, it is now available as a normal standalone disc. ...and I need to check out that Power Tools thing. Sounds interesting! ← I have it. Frisell with a string trio. Good shit. Quote
John L Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 I don't have too much Frisell, but I really enjoy what he does on those trio dates with Joey Baron and Arthur Blythe. Quote
RDK Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 I once picked up a David Frizzell album by mistake. Didn't care for it... Quote
medjuck Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 I like some Bil Frisell a lot and don't like some at all. But it's obvious he likes whatever he's doing. He doesn't care if it's jazz or if we like it. That's not selling out. It's just a guy with eclectic tastes having a good time. Quote
marcello Posted November 21, 2005 Report Posted November 21, 2005 I once picked up a David Frizzell album by mistake. Didn't care for it... ← Some of this guy's playing I like; some I don't: Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted December 1, 2005 Report Posted December 1, 2005 Love Lefty, nice pic, presumably from after his career went sour... but to get this thread more or less back on track have any of you downloaded the Further East/Further West linked earlier? I've never done anything like that and I'm a little fuzzy on how it works. Do I need any special software installed and is Flac worth the extra $? A little hand holding here would be much appreciated. Quote
7/4 Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 Love Lefty, nice pic, presumably from after his career went sour... but to get this thread more or less back on track have any of you downloaded the Further East/Further West linked earlier? I've never done anything like that and I'm a little fuzzy on how it works. Do I need any special software installed and is Flac worth the extra $? A little hand holding here would be much appreciated. Flac decodes to a wav file, so it's CD quality, unlike a MP3 file. There's software out there to do the translation. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 So I'm going to have to get some of this software to go from flac to wave, or might it already be in one of the three CD burning programs on computer already? Sorry to be dense but you'd think they'd put info like this on a site that sells downloads... Quote
7/4 Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 So I'm going to have to get some of this software to go from flac to wave, or might it already be in one of the three CD burning programs on computer already? Sorry to be dense but you'd think they'd put info like this on a site that sells downloads... I use MKW Audio Compression Tool Kit. Quote
RDK Posted December 2, 2005 Report Posted December 2, 2005 You can find FLAC decoders for free on the web. Just google it. Piece of cake to use. Quote
BFrank Posted December 10, 2005 Report Posted December 10, 2005 Would it make you happy if you knew that disk 1 is West and disk 2 is East? Yeah....what's up with that? I just got the album and it took me a while to figure out what was going on. Quote
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