ii-5-i Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I've been considering the purchase of a "stand alone" CD recorder for the sole purpose of LP to CD transfer. To my understanding, HHB starts out as a Pioneer, getting higher quality technology added in England. How do decks of this type compare to the more popular brands? Would buying a quality deck like an HHB be fiscal overkill for just LP to CD transfer? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I have no experience at all with standalone CD burners. How does one create tracks on the CD-R when recording a complete LP side? On a PC with a high quality sound card (starting at $150) and a CD burner, you can record and then edit the recording, not only to create tracks but also cut out pops and use an equalizer. It's much more flexible than a standalone recorder. One can also record at high resolution (24Bit/96kHz) and create DVD-As. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 If I had to buy one today, I'd get either a Tascam CD-RW750 or a Denon CDR-W1500. The Denon is a rock-solid machine and can even play back HDCD encoded CDs, which is a nice addition. Tascam's units are basically bulletproof. They have a transport that just won't fail. I believe Chris D bought a Tascam and he's still digging it. Later, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) I bought an HHB this year after doing some research and I LOVE it. You can use PC blanks (you can use the audio ones as well, but you don't HAVE to). You have excellent input gain adjustement, balance for both digital and analog in, can do fades in or out, and really nice sounding converters (both ADC and DAC), and you can defeat or add copy protection to your copy, etc. It has been wonderful to use and has performed flawlessly. You can run in an analog, cd or DAT signal (it won't recognize a dvd signal). Claude, there are two ways to add track indexes on a standalone burner: manually or automatically. In almost all instances however. . . manually. You click a button (depends on the make and model, some you press the "advance track" button, some the record button, etc.) and an index is inserted. If you use automatically. . . it tends to add indexes a plenty, not necessarily where you would like them to be. . . . Edited November 16, 2004 by jazzbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyJazz Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 (edited) Claude, there are two ways to add track indexes on a standalone burner: manually or automatically. In almost all instances however. . . manually. You click a button (depends on the make and model, some you press the "advance track" button, some the record button, etc.) and an index is inserted. If you use automatically. . . it tends to add indexes a plenty, not necessarily where you would like them to be. . . . Lon: What I'd like to know (and forgive me because I think I may have asked this question before), is there a way on your machine to index tracks without inserting a split second of silence between the end of the previous track and the beginning of the new one? This is critical when transferring concert material wherein an artist can segue immediately into a new tune and/or where one doesn't like to be jarred audio-wise by a split second of silence being introduced during audience applause between tunes. Thanks, Martin Edited November 16, 2004 by MartyJazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I've never tried this but have been thinking about it. How difficult is this to do? CD burning is fairly effortless but this seems more of a challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Lon: What I'd like to know (and forgive me because I think I may have asked this question before), is there a way on your machine to index tracks without inserting a split second of silence between the end of the previous track and the beginning of the new one? This is critical when transferring concert material wherein an artist can segue immediately into a new tune and/or where one doesn't like to be jarred audio-wise by a split second of silence being introduced during audience applause between tunes. Well, I'm not Lon but I can answer from my perspective. I've never had any "silence" added to my CD-Rs by pressing the Index button during recording. All the index button does is add a flag to the bitstream indicating a new track and resets the timing info. Other than that, it's a seamless transition. I've ripped a couple of live LPs onto CD and added track breaks and the music plays back just like any other live CD. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 That really should be the case, silence with an index between tracks, when there is simple indexing involved; there will be an audible pause insert if you have to actually pause the recording for any reason (turning over the tape, etc.) BUT I have noticed that some machines read these indexes with a slight pause. I have three cd players at home; two of them play these with no interruption, one plays them with a slight pause. (It's the oldest, but I'm not sure that is the factor). That's all I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmilovan Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 One can also record at high resolution (24Bit/96kHz) and create DVD-As. BTW, I never saw any commercial authoring PC program for doing 24/96 DVD-Audio on DVD discs... don't know if such thing can be done in home enviroment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 One option is Steinberg Wavelab 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinlps Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Folks on other listservs / forums seem to get good results from the Alesis Masterlink CD Recorder. It has a built in hard drive. I think you record to the HD first, edit / manipulate the recording, then burn to the built in recorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Personally I don't like to mess with the material much as far as noise reduction etc. and I like the stand alone burners a lot. Marty, one alternative if there are audible indexes and it is a bother and it's very important for them not to be there: an unindexed burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 (edited) Personally I don't like to mess with the material much as far as noise reduction etc. and I like the stand alone burners a lot. Noise reduction hardly ever has the envisaged result and will usually only have detrimental effects on the music itself. The "etc." would be click and pop removal and for me that is actually the most important if not even only part of editing the signal. Edited November 17, 2004 by couw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 What I'd like to know (and forgive me because I think I may have asked this question before), is there a way on your machine to index tracks without inserting a split second of silence between the end of the previous track and the beginning of the new one? This is critical when transferring concert material wherein an artist can segue immediately into a new tune and/or where one doesn't like to be jarred audio-wise by a split second of silence being introduced during audience applause between tunes. Thanks, Martin I have been using a Phillips CDR 775 with no problems for about three years now. I don't think it is as advanced as some of the other standalone's mentioned, but as a consumer entry level unit it has served my purposes well. I have used in to transfer LPs, cassettes and to record from the TV. If it ever dies on me I will probably consider an upgrade. To answer your question, I do a lot of trading of unreleased live performances and as a result have transferred many recordings from cassette to CDR. My unit never inserts a gap when I press the button to insert a track index. As someone else mentioned, the only time I get a space is when I have to pause the unit for tape flips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relyles Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Does anyone know if there is available anywhere a report or review comparing the various standalones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeweil Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 If I had to buy one today, I'd get either a Tascam CD-RW750 or a Denon CDR-W1500. Do they allow programming your CDs from different sources or rearranging the tracks, or do they make only 1 to 1 copies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bresnahan Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 If I had to buy one today, I'd get either a Tascam CD-RW750 or a Denon CDR-W1500. Do they allow programming your CDs from different sources or rearranging the tracks, or do they make only 1 to 1 copies? Neither has a hard drive so they cannot re-arrange the audio on the fly. However, any standalone CD burner can make a compilation or re-arrange the tracks using the program function. Tedious. The only easy way to re-arrange tracks is to use your PC. As I've said before on other threads, I only use CD-RW discs on my standalone audio burner to record LPs. I take this CD-RW over to my PC, extract the .wav files to my hard drive, manipulate the audio (only if necessary) and then burn onto CD-Rs on my PC. The blanks are cheaper and the burn is much faster. Later, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in RI Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 A strong second for HHB Burn-It, I've had one for a couple of years. As Lon notes, you can use computer cdr's, not just audio, which is quite a bit cheaper. Mine has a remote (I think they all do) and you just push a button on it while sitting on the couch to insert track marks. I haven't had any discs that played back with 2 seconds gaps from this (and I have distributed plenty hither and yon). Definitely my favorite toy from the last 10 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ii-5-i Posted November 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Thanks to all very much. I'll keep my eyes peeled for an HHB or Tascam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolff Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 (edited) I like my Denon CDR-W1500(standalone audio component), but then again my wants are very simple. Lp, as is, straight to CD-R Audio disc. The Auto Tracking Mark works great on new/quiet LP's with little noise between tracks, so I do not have to hit a button between tracks. I have a feeling the tt quality may be a big factor in the ATM working on LP's. I have a couple friends that have and like this one, too. The audio quality is very, very good. Maybe, the main factor in our liking this model. After making the copy, I mark it 'Master Copy' and use it to make subsequent dubs/comps as needed. Edited November 18, 2004 by wolff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 I still use the old Harmon Karden CDR2 model. I had it serviced less than a year after I had it, and it was given some upgrade -- I have no idea what -- but it has worked great ever since. Sound quality is fine, HDCD and 24 bit stuff is all there. I use audio cdrws then transfer them to the computer, erase them, and use them over and over. I manually insert tracks, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noj Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 What turntable should I purchase that would work best with one of the above burners? Or is there a turntable I can hook up to my Mac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fenohr Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 I have been thinking about it for awhile and this thread pushed me over the edge. I ordered a HHB 830 Burnit today. This will give me three burners,so i figure if i space them out throughout the house, i can be burning something no matter where i am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in RI Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Bill, you are my hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 Bill, I think you need a portable burner -- in the car, at work, with the kids........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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